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1289

Lol many people seem to think hiring schools are stupid. They are not. Demand side is perfectly able to understand rookie isn't the same as seasoned. In fact, several schools expressed that they are looking for rookies only. Also, why would "the Southwestern Community College of Western Idaho fly out a guy with two Top Three publications"? I doubt they are that stupid and waste valuable resources on a candidate that is only coming to practice.

We are talking about good FMA schools. Why should they hire a rookie while a seasoned candidate has already two rnrs in top 3?

Fresh ideas, more potential to publish, cheaper if seasoned wants associate salary, longer until tenure which can be good for departments with lots of tenured.
why don't all schools only hire full profs with 10 top 3s? it's just a different type of candidate

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
30e5

So seasoned candidates and top rookies with r&r took all the FMA research school spots. Sucks to be middle quality candidates this year.

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
c3e4

It’s been a bad jm year

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
7d0b

But something more likely to happen is not a decent paper in the next few years. That even happen to rookie hire at some good afa schools

Lol many people seem to think hiring schools are stupid. They are not. Demand side is perfectly able to understand rookie isn't the same as seasoned. In fact, several schools expressed that they are looking for rookies only. Also, why would "the Southwestern Community College of Western Idaho fly out a guy with two Top Three publications"? I doubt they are that stupid and waste valuable resources on a candidate that is only coming to practice.

We are talking about good FMA schools. Why should they hire a rookie while a seasoned candidate has already two rnrs in top 3?

Fresh ideas, more potential to publish, cheaper if seasoned wants associate salary, longer until tenure which can be good for departments with lots of tenured.
why don't all schools only hire full profs with 10 top 3s? it's just a different type of candidate

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
f147

Toughest market ever!

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
f147

Seasoned candidates are taking all good ones.

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
f147

But something more likely to happen is not a decent paper in the next few years. That even happen to rookie hire at some good afa schools

Lol many people seem to think hiring schools are stupid. They are not. Demand side is perfectly able to understand rookie isn't the same as seasoned. In fact, several schools expressed that they are looking for rookies only. Also, why would "the Southwestern Community College of Western Idaho fly out a guy with two Top Three publications"? I doubt they are that stupid and waste valuable resources on a candidate that is only coming to practice.

We are talking about good FMA schools. Why should they hire a rookie while a seasoned candidate has already two rnrs in top 3?

Fresh ideas, more potential to publish, cheaper if seasoned wants associate salary, longer until tenure which can be good for departments with lots of tenured.
why don't all schools only hire full profs with 10 top 3s? it's just a different type of candidate

It's not fair to compare seasoned candidates with rookies. Just think about their presentation skills, they had more opportunities than rookies.

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
7137

Same here, but that's not really a very large or unbiased sample. The word is that while some top candidates were invited for interviews, it was basically the very, very top candidates that (frankly) will probably still look to the AFA before accepting any offers. These top candidates got all the interviews, but the rest of the candidates really did not. While inviting the top scholar to a flyout is a start, inviting a person who will clearly decline your offer is not really optimal. Hence, the market is moving to the AFA. Earlier in this thread, someone described the top five flyout candidates all declining flyouts to a school because they, too, used the FMA for practice. That is not really a good thing for the FMA job market.

This is not true this year. Demand side here and I have talked with some other peer schools that are hiring. Surprisingly few research schools (by FMA standard) are failing their initial searches this year. Excess supply of reasonable quality seasoned candidates.

Agreed! Seasoned candidates are taking all good jobs at the FMA. There should be a policy to make a fairer market for rookies.

Seems there are many seasoned candidates on the market this year

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
7137

So seasoned candidates and top rookies with r&r took all the FMA research school spots. Sucks to be middle quality candidates this year.

True

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
3a7d

Been on the recruiting committee for a few years. FMA schools are more likely to hire seasoned candidates compared with AFA schools. Good rookies would have a better chance in the AFA market.

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
81ce

Toughest market ever!

2020 was the toughest.

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
b75f

Been on the recruiting committee for a few years. FMA schools are more likely to hire seasoned candidates compared with AFA schools. Good rookies would have a better chance in the AFA market.

That's a really good tip, haha, I hope that works in my favor in the next few months!

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
e6f2

Toughest market ever!

2020 was the toughest.

There was no market in 2020… LOL

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
81ce

Been on the recruiting committee for a few years. FMA schools are more likely to hire seasoned candidates compared with AFA schools. Good rookies would have a better chance in the AFA market.

That's a really good tip, haha, I hope that works in my favor in the next few months!

Good luck going against all the other hrm and mrm candidates that didn't even bother with fma

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
f147

Been on the recruiting committee for a few years. FMA schools are more likely to hire seasoned candidates compared with AFA schools. Good rookies would have a better chance in the AFA market.

That's a really good tip, haha, I hope that works in my favor in the next few months!

Good luck going against all the other hrm and mrm candidates that didn't even bother with fma

I think everyone was in the FMA market except PhD candidates from top 10 schools.

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
2354

No. And many of those who were at the FMA market just wanted to practice.

Been on the recruiting committee for a few years. FMA schools are more likely to hire seasoned candidates compared with AFA schools. Good rookies would have a better chance in the AFA market.

That's a really good tip, haha, I hope that works in my favor in the next few months!

Good luck going against all the other hrm and mrm candidates that didn't even bother with fma

I think everyone was in the FMA market except PhD candidates from top 10 schools.

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
81ce

Toughest market ever!

2020 was the toughest.

There was no market in 2020… LOL

exactly

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
f147

This year job market is really bad. Last year was much better.

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
2cdf

Really wish I had a job lined up already.

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
7137

This year job market is really bad. Last year was much better.

True. Last year is better.

2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

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