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• Thread: 268 Goods vs 147 No Goods

1. Economist
   dab0
   

   In what way is a private company funding a maternity benefit you paying for anything? Would you prefer she quit her job and stopped paying all those income and payroll taxes? Would you prefer she had kids and did not take any leave? Kind of sounds like the issue here is not the timing of her pregnancy.

   Can't speak for the other poster, but I can speak to having to work harder to make up for women taking parental leave. I don't know about google, but lots of other places don't just hire/reallocate to backfill the missing work. I have yet to see it once on my team over 10+ maternity leaves. Because the team I'm on is majority female including management, unfortunately the pay rules don't account for the fact that I've worked 3 - 9 more months than my colleagues, often covering for their work.

   4 months ago # QUOTE 7 Volod 0 Vlad !

2. Economist
   7600
   

   In what way is a private company funding a maternity benefit you paying for anything? Would you prefer she quit her job and stopped paying all those income and payroll taxes? Would you prefer she had kids and did not take any leave? Kind of sounds like the issue here is not the timing of her pregnancy.

   Can't speak for the other poster, but I can speak to having to work harder to make up for women taking parental leave. I don't know about google, but lots of other places don't just hire/reallocate to backfill the missing work. I have yet to see it once on my team over 10+ maternity leaves. Because the team I'm on is majority female including management, unfortunately the pay rules don't account for the fact that I've worked 3 - 9 more months than my colleagues, often covering for their work.

   Many companies offer (or should offer) paid paternity leaves for this reason. If paid paternity leaves of similar are enforced (and expected to be used), then men would share in the benefits and costs of having to take parental leave.

   4 months ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 5 Vlad !

3. Economist
   0b6f
   

   In what way is a private company funding a maternity benefit you paying for anything? Would you prefer she quit her job and stopped paying all those income and payroll taxes? Would you prefer she had kids and did not take any leave? Kind of sounds like the issue here is not the timing of her pregnancy.

   Can't speak for the other poster, but I can speak to having to work harder to make up for women taking parental leave. I don't know about google, but lots of other places don't just hire/reallocate to backfill the missing work. I have yet to see it once on my team over 10+ maternity leaves. Because the team I'm on is majority female including management, unfortunately the pay rules don't account for the fact that I've worked 3 - 9 more months than my colleagues, often covering for their work.

   This happens in academia too, if you’re in a small department. “Oh whoops can you take on another section”

   4 months ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

4. Economist
   4502
   

   It reeks of flop sweat and in/cel bitterness in here, wow

   4 months ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 4 Vlad !

5. Economist
   d32b
   

   The corporate world is not a charity organization. Perform or leave.

   Charity organizations can't efficiently deal with the lack of productivity from their employees either.

   4 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

6. Economist
   85cc
   

   Easy fix: You get only a percentage of your salary during maternity leave. Say 50%. If they want the money, they come back early.

   4 months ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

7. Economist
   d32b
   

   Easy fix: You get only a percentage of your salary during maternity leave. Say 50%. If they want the money, they come back early.

   Other people earned that money to pay you. How is that fair to those people?

   4 months ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 1 Vlad !

8. Economist
   cd10
   

   Easy fix: You get only a percentage of your salary during maternity leave. Say 50%. If they want the money, they come back early.

   Other people earned that money to pay you. How is that fair to those people?

   Companies give benefits to attract and retain employees. If your hot take is that you'd like to work for a company that has no interest in hiring or retaining women who may or do become pregnant, they're definitely out there. Different companies have different strategies about this. But other peoples' compensation packages are not your money as their coworker.

   4 months ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 3 Vlad !

9. Economist
   0b6f
   

   It’s more that companies give (and change) benefits to attract the very top performers. You have these very generous benefits because 100x female programmers exist, and they’ll go where they can get them.

   Easy fix: You get only a percentage of your salary during maternity leave. Say 50%. If they want the money, they come back early.

   Other people earned that money to pay you. How is that fair to those people?

   Companies give benefits to attract and retain employees. If your hot take is that you'd like to work for a company that has no interest in hiring or retaining women who may or do become pregnant, they're definitely out there. Different companies have different strategies about this. But other peoples' compensation packages are not your money as their coworker.

   4 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

10. Economist
    30ea
    

    Canada has EI (unemployment insurance) distribute maternity and paternity leave benefits, rather than requiring employers to directly pay (they pay into EI for a variety of reasons).

    4 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

11. Economist
    0b6f
    

    Canada has EI (unemployment insurance) distribute maternity and paternity leave benefits, rather than requiring employers to directly pay (they pay into EI for a variety of reasons).

    Yes well that would be nice but the US largely doesn’t provide state benefits like that. Even California. So it’s up to companies to figure it out.

    4 months ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

12. Economist
    dd7d
    

    And it’s unfair that retirees who raised children that pay into social security get the same retirement benefit as childless retirees. Given how many people are choosing to be childless and the aging society problem in all developed countries, it’s not clear we shouldn’t be incentivising childbirth.

    kid havers get screwed by society unfortunately. this is why nobody wants kid anymore.

    They’re not screwed. There is a career opportunity cost to reproducing. Historically it was almost fully borne by women. Now men also have to share in this opportunity cost. It unfair if someone without kids who contributes more is not rewarded for their additional marginal contributions.

    4 months ago # QUOTE 4 Volod 2 Vlad !

13. Economist
    019e
    

    Unclear she was laid off because she was pregnant. It is just as unfair to expect to not be laid off because you are pregnant.

    Well regardless of fairness, it’s illegal to lay people off if they’re pregnant in California.

    Does that apply to a husband whose wife is pregnant? If not, clearly an unconstitutional law.

    4 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

14. Economist
    a61c
    

    It benefits society at large if others’ children contribute positively to society down the line.

    I care as much about "society at large" as it cares about me.

    4 months ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 2 Vlad !

15. Economist
    cd10
    

    Unclear she was laid off because she was pregnant. It is just as unfair to expect to not be laid off because you are pregnant.

    Well regardless of fairness, it’s illegal to lay people off if they’re pregnant in California.

    Does that apply to a husband whose wife is pregnant? If not, clearly an unconstitutional law.

    It's not illegal either way. You can lay off pregnant employees, you just can't lay them off for being pregnant.

    4 months ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

16. Economist
    a61c
    

    It reeks of flop sweat and in/cel bitterness in here, wow

    The "bitterness," of course, as always, being totally unwarranted and coming from absolutely nowhere.

    4 months ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 1 Vlad !

17. Economist
    0b6f
    

    It reeks of flop sweat and in/cel bitterness in here, wow

    The "bitterness," of course, as always, being totally unwarranted and coming from absolutely nowhere.

    Glad we agree on that.

    4 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 3 Vlad !

18. Economist
    7bd4
    

    Society is in a bad equilibrium where, especially in HCOL job centers, it basically requires dual incomes unless you are top .01% / have family wealth. However, society obviously benefits from having (high eye que) kids being born / above replacement fertility long term. Thus in the short term it's optimal for 'efficiency' to extract as much out of these women as possible, in the long term it's crushing.

    4 months ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

19. Economist
    a61c
    

    It reeks of flop sweat and in/cel bitterness in here, wow

    The "bitterness," of course, as always, being totally unwarranted and coming from absolutely nowhere.

    Glad we agree on that.

    You people are the very picture of hypocrisy. You're too lazy to even bother hiding it

    4 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

20. Economist
    0b6f
    

    Hypocrisy how. Firms put together generous maternity leave policies to hire high performers doesn’t seem hypocritical to me.

    It reeks of flop sweat and in/cel bitterness in here, wow

    The "bitterness," of course, as always, being totally unwarranted and coming from absolutely nowhere.

    Glad we agree on that.

    You people are the very picture of hypocrisy. You're too lazy to even bother hiding it

    4 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 1 Vlad !

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