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1. Economist
   d734
   

   Too early to start one now. If we did it would load up with all the drama before the action even starts!

   I've been looking at the time stamps on some of the most aggrieved comments, and it seems like there is a lot of bitterness among recent PhD grads who landed jobs in Asia or Europe (or people in the US never sleep). Is this a problem with U.S. PhD programs, or is it a problem with job conditions over there? If people in the U.S. are exploiting foreign PhD candidates, that's not cool.

   Can we start a new 2018-2019 market thread for discussion of the actual market and keep all the drama on this one?

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2. Economist
   6eac
   

   I think a problem with the people who got into the programs thinking they will get to top schools and ended up back in Asia after failing the job market... Some of the students in my schools are like that - they are sure they will get top 10 school (and argue that places like Temple/Rutgers are safety school) but end up in HK or China because could not get even a teaching school in US

   Too early to start one now. If we did it would load up with all the drama before the action even starts!
   I've been looking at the time stamps on some of the most aggrieved comments, and it seems like there is a lot of bitterness among recent PhD grads who landed jobs in Asia or Europe (or people in the US never sleep). Is this a problem with U.S. PhD programs, or is it a problem with job conditions over there? If people in the U.S. are exploiting foreign PhD candidates, that's not cool.

   Can we start a new 2018-2019 market thread for discussion of the actual market and keep all the drama on this one?
   

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3. Economist
   0526
   

   I think a problem with the people who got into the programs thinking they will get to top schools and ended up back in Asia after failing the job market... Some of the students in my schools are like that - they are sure they will get top 10 school (and argue that places like Temple/Rutgers are safety school) but end up in HK or China because could not get even a teaching school in US

   You sound like you're at a top school. Placing at a teaching school in the US from a top school is actually quite difficult for several reasons.

   1) Teaching schools obviously value teaching experience, but many top schools don't have undergrad or Master's of Accounting programs. So teaching experience at top schools is limited to being a TA for MBA classes.

   2) The job market is segmented, with the teaching schools recruiting in the fall semester after AAA instead of the spring semester. Teaching school faculty aren't desperate. If you didn't go to AAA in August, but come February or March, you apply for teaching school positions, the faculty there know you struck out.

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4. Economist
   6eac
   

   I am in top 20-30 school but we did place our students also in the top 10 but also in some teaching schools. We always tell them that getting a job in a top 3-0 research school is very hard and they need to work super hard! but i know that some of our students who went back to Asia are not happy (and argue that the market is bias against Asian and that why they could not get a job). Being an Asian my self, I agree that the market is bias (against all international) but that some of our students have too high expectation

   I think a problem with the people who got into the programs thinking they will get to top schools and ended up back in Asia after failing the job market... Some of the students in my schools are like that - they are sure they will get top 10 school (and argue that places like Temple/Rutgers are safety school) but end up in HK or China because could not get even a teaching school in US

   You sound like you're at a top school. Placing at a teaching school in the US from a top school is actually quite difficult for several reasons.
   1) Teaching schools obviously value teaching experience, but many top schools don't have undergrad or Master's of Accounting programs. So teaching experience at top schools is limited to being a TA for MBA classes.
   2) The job market is segmented, with the teaching schools recruiting in the fall semester after AAA instead of the spring semester. Teaching school faculty aren't desperate. If you didn't go to AAA in August, but come February or March, you apply for teaching school positions, the faculty there know you struck out.

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5. Economist
   3fec
   

   Officially dead thread

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6. Economist
   91ad
   

   What is the "same story" -- that MA (an OSU PhD student) "stole" the summer paper from SB (an OSU faculty member at the time)? I don't understand. Do faculty members have summer papers?

   Got same story from PSU. Why does SB work with MA?
   

   Not a faculty summer paper. Summer paper when SB was a PhD student at PSU in 2008.

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7. Economist
   6151
   

   So how will be the market this year?

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8. Economist
   0fd4
   

   Prob super good! After few hard years i heard that schools are going to be on market for multiple positions. Chicago/MIT/Stanford/Wharton are all looking for 3-4 people which is good

   So how will be the market this year?

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9. Economist
   38d3
   

   Prob super good! After few hard years i heard that schools are going to be on market for multiple positions. Chicago/MIT/Stanford/Wharton are all looking for 3-4 people which is good

   So how will be the market this year?
   

   Clueless. MIT and Wharton probably hiring 0 in total. Standard 0 or 1. Chicago could do anything.

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10. Economist
    38d3
    

    ^*Stanford

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11. Economist
    62a6
    

    I think it was a joke

    Prob super good! After few hard years i heard that schools are going to be on market for multiple positions. Chicago/MIT/Stanford/Wharton are all looking for 3-4 people which is good

    So how will be the market this year?
    

    Clueless. MIT and Wharton probably hiring 0 in total. Standard 0 or 1. Chicago could do anything.

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12. Economist
    7421
    

    Great market this coming season - lots of openings in top 30.

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13. Economist
    95ef
    

    Great market this coming season - lots of openings in top 30.

    MIT insider: expected hires this year is zero. And theee students going to the market this year

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14. Economist
    6151
    

    What about the behavioral market? I’ve heard Austin and Illinois have star candidates

    Great market this coming season - lots of openings in top 30.

    MIT insider: expected hires this year is zero. And theee students going to the market this year

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15. Economist
    6938
    

    What?

    What about the behavioral market? I’ve heard Austin and Illinois have star candidates

    Great market this coming season - lots of openings in top 30.

    MIT insider: expected hires this year is zero. And theee students going to the market this year
    

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16. Economist
    6938
    

    What bout Cornell? They always have the star behavioral

    What?

    What about the behavioral market? I’ve heard Austin and Illinois have star candidates

    Great market this coming season - lots of openings in top 30.

    MIT insider: expected hires this year is zero. And theee students going to the market this year
    

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17. Economist
    1833
    

    I heard that AA from MSU will go to the market this fall

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18. Economist
    7fa5
    

    I heard that AA from MSU will go to the market this fall

    Is DW from MSU getting tenure?

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19. Economist
    6fad
    

    At Wisconsin.

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20. Economist
    c7a9
    

    I heard that AA from MSU will go to the market this fall

    Is DW from MSU getting tenure?

    It would be a surprise if he does not.

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