Ap here. Stop mansplaining. I speak for myself
Hi ap. Real scholar? Thanks for the laughgrow up
AP doesn't post here.
Accounting 2020-21 Job Market
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Rookies: work on what you want with who you want. Don’t listen to the barely tenured people here who want to tell you what to do.
History repeats itself every year.
Nov: "XX is a star. 3 top 3 publications and 2 top 6 RRs."
Dec: "How's XX doing? Did s/he get chicago flyout?"
Jan: "Seriously? XX only has flyouts with 3 LRM schools?"
Jan: "Where is XX going to?"
Feb: "XX visiting for one year? I can't believe s/he couldn't get a job. S/he'd be tenured in my VLRM school" -
Rookies: work on what you want with who you want. Don’t listen to the barely tenured people here who want to tell you what to do.
History repeats itself every year.
Nov: "XX is a star. 3 top 3 publications and 2 top 6 RRs."
Dec: "How's XX doing? Did s/he get chicago flyout?"
Jan: "Seriously? XX only has flyouts with 3 LRM schools?"
Jan: "Where is XX going to?"
Feb: "XX visiting for one year? I can't believe s/he couldn't get a job. S/he'd be tenured in my VLRM school"That seems too exaggerated. IMO, pre-covid, history did rhyme like this every year.
Oct: "I would never apply to a teaching school."
Dec: "Miami didn't go as well as I thought, but I still have hope for a few MRMs."
Jan: "Have these LRM schools called?"
Mar: "Why does the AAA do their market before Miami and not after? It makes so much more sense for them to do it after." -
Nobody talks about top 6 pubs.
Rookies: work on what you want with who you want. Don’t listen to the barely tenured people here who want to tell you what to do.
History repeats itself every year.
Nov: "XX is a star. 3 top 3 publications and 2 top 6 RRs."
Dec: "How's XX doing? Did s/he get chicago flyout?"
Jan: "Seriously? XX only has flyouts with 3 LRM schools?"
Jan: "Where is XX going to?"
Feb: "XX visiting for one year? I can't believe s/he couldn't get a job. S/he'd be tenured in my VLRM school" -
Assume for moment that conditional on having 5/6 As, tenure process is fairly random. But pr(tenure)=0 otherwise. Then your goal is to get 5/6 As in the most enjoyable way possible.
Work with who you want. On what you want.
A$$holes can always spin negative stories about any vita. Too many coauthor: “dont really know this personals contrib”. Too many soloauthor: “not a team player. must be a jerk no one wants to work with” etc
What this means is that most advice on who/what to work on is idiosyncratic taste of the advice giver.
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Assume for moment that conditional on having 5/6 As, tenure process is fairly random. But pr(tenure)=0 otherwise. Then your goal is to get 5/6 As in the most enjoyable way possible.
Work with who you want. On what you want.
A$$holes can always spin negative stories about any vita. Too many coauthor: “dont really know this personals contrib”. Too many soloauthor: “not a team player. must be a jerk no one wants to work with” etc
What this means is that most advice on who/what to work on is idiosyncratic taste of the advice giver.You can retain a lot of flexibility to do what you want with the co-authors you want, while still following some standard advice: Make sure you have a coherent research program that makes it easy for letter writers to see your area of expertise, and to attribute work in that program to you and not always co-authors. Make sure to work with with people other than your advisors and senior colleagues--by the end of your tenure run you should have a paper with peers and/or doctoral students. Determine whether you school and its peers would value two mid-tier publications over one top-tier, and try to focus on what they value.
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You can retain a lot of flexibility to do what you want with the co-authors you want, while still following some standard advice: Make sure you have a coherent research program that makes it easy for letter writers to see your area of expertise, and to attribute work in that program to you and not always co-authors. Make sure to work with with people other than your advisors and senior colleagues--by the end of your tenure run you should have a paper with peers and/or doctoral students. Determine whether you school and its peers would value two mid-tier publications over one top-tier, and try to focus on what they value.
I am not aware of any research school that values 2 mid-tier articles over one top 3 publication. At every school I have been at, it is something like 10 to 1 and then only if you are well liked. We had a guy fail promotion to full professor twice who at a bunch of AJPTs. Finally, on the third attempt he made it but was still rocky and I think it was the R&R at TAR that got him over the hump.
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Exactly. I know someone with a Top 3 publication, 3 RRs top 3 and 1 RR top 6 and 2 Top 3 submissions. Guess what - will be in the market next year.
He/she is a rookie? from where?You rookies are incredibly naïve thinking that we recruiters can't separate a JMC quality from what is listed on the JMC cv/portfolio.
1 top 3, 4 RR, etcetera for a rookie? Let me guess: are any of these pre-phd work? did s/he do an academic MAcc somewhere in Utah? Any senior coauthors?
Sincere advice to JMCs hitting the market next year: dissertation, dissertation, and dissertation. If you like collaborating, prioritize junior coauthors (junior faculty or fellow phds) and work on projects that fit YOUR agenda.NO pre-phd work. NO UTAH. NO BYU Macc. Normal coauthors and NO RA and NO advisor paper extension.
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Exactly. I know someone with a Top 3 publication, 3 RRs top 3 and 1 RR top 6 and 2 Top 3 submissions. Guess what - will be in the market next year.
He/she is a rookie? from where?You rookies are incredibly naïve thinking that we recruiters can't separate a JMC quality from what is listed on the JMC cv/portfolio.
1 top 3, 4 RR, etcetera for a rookie? Let me guess: are any of these pre-phd work? did s/he do an academic MAcc somewhere in Utah? Any senior coauthors?
Sincere advice to JMCs hitting the market next year: dissertation, dissertation, and dissertation. If you like collaborating, prioritize junior coauthors (junior faculty or fellow phds) and work on projects that fit YOUR agenda.NO pre-phd work. NO UTAH. NO BYU Macc. Normal coauthors and NO RA and NO advisor paper extension.
Recruiter here.
I second the importance of the dissertation. A good dissertation trumps a lot of things.
However, it is impossible to assume that the value of networks (or pre-phd program at Utah) has zero or negative value. At the end of the day, a lot of recruiters are connected/did the same programs.
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Exactly. I know someone with a Top 3 publication, 3 RRs top 3 and 1 RR top 6 and 2 Top 3 submissions. Guess what - will be in the market next year.
He/she is a rookie? from where?You rookies are incredibly naïve thinking that we recruiters can't separate a JMC quality from what is listed on the JMC cv/portfolio.
1 top 3, 4 RR, etcetera for a rookie? Let me guess: are any of these pre-phd work? did s/he do an academic MAcc somewhere in Utah? Any senior coauthors?
Sincere advice to JMCs hitting the market next year: dissertation, dissertation, and dissertation. If you like collaborating, prioritize junior coauthors (junior faculty or fellow phds) and work on projects that fit YOUR agenda.NO pre-phd work. NO UTAH. NO BYU Macc. Normal coauthors and NO RA and NO advisor paper extension.
Recruiter here.
I second the importance of the dissertation. A good dissertation trumps a lot of things.
However, it is impossible to assume that the value of networks (or pre-phd program at Utah) has zero or negative value. At the end of the day, a lot of recruiters are connected/did the same programs.I third the importance of the dissertation, but how much weight you assign to network varies from person to person. In my own judgment, it is close to zero and can be even negative if I believe the only reason why the candidate is doing well is network. However, I agree that other recruiters think otherwise.
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^Same here. At the end of the day, we want a colleague that can add to the department. The surplus schools get from the "network" of a newly hired rookie are too indirect to play a major role. The candidate's skill is what we get, meaning we want someone to contribute in workshops, paper discussions, future projects, etc. This is why dissertation is so important.
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When you recruit someone who has a chair who is an editor, you get on the good side of that editor. That's why networks are valuable
And this is why an inefficient equilibrium is sustained. Schools: hire the students of journal editors (regardless of their quality), so the journal editors can help you (and their not so good students) to publish not so good papers. The not so good students will get tenure and become journal editors in the future.
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When you recruit someone who has a chair who is an editor, you get on the good side of that editor. That's why networks are valuable
Thus, hire from Chicago, Wharton, MIT and Rochester. Forget all the other schools.
Long live the Queens/Kings.So shallow - wont help the profession - lol