Is spring market going to be any better?
Accounting 2020-21 Job Market
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Is spring market going to be any better?
The only hope for hiring is if schools open in fall and there are no further crises. The probability of that is slim to none. Many schools won’t open. Others will and will face local lockdown because of virus transmission spikes. No quick solution.
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It depends on how performance is defined. Whether it is just the number of pubs or quality of pubs. Would one with several low quality pubs be more overrated than another with one high quality pub?
Many in the “big” ten
Most underperforming or overrated group of AP’s at HRM and MRM schools?
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Anyone have advice for getting a job on the fall market instead of waiting for the spring market?
Let schools know you're seriously interested. If you plan to go on the fall market, commit to it and don't just try to use it as a hedging mechanism in case you don't have success at Miami. There are some pretty good smaller schools that go on the fall market and they're looking for candidates who are interested in what they have to offer, not research market rejects. Actually enjoying teaching and understanding what a job at their school looks like is helpful (you're going to teach more, you're probably going to do service/committees as a junior faculty, and it will be hard to be productive research-wise).
Other than that, the fall market isn't that different - you'll still present your paper, though you probably won't be as aggressively questioned about it as you would be at Miami schools. Most of the schools want you to keep doing research, so you should still be prepared to discuss your other projects and some sort of pipeline (though there is much less pressure to get your work into TAR/JAR/JAE and many more journals "count" for tenure purposes). You'll have office visits/interview type meetings with other faculty, probably do lunch and dinner, go on a campus tour, etc.
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Anyone have advice for getting a job on the fall market instead of waiting for the spring market?
Let schools know you're seriously interested. If you plan to go on the fall market, commit to it and don't just try to use it as a hedging mechanism in case you don't have success at Miami. There are some pretty good smaller schools that go on the fall market and they're looking for candidates who are interested in what they have to offer, not research market rejects. Actually enjoying teaching and understanding what a job at their school looks like is helpful (you're going to teach more, you're probably going to do service/committees as a junior faculty, and it will be hard to be productive research-wise).
Other than that, the fall market isn't that different - you'll still present your paper, though you probably won't be as aggressively questioned about it as you would be at Miami schools. Most of the schools want you to keep doing research, so you should still be prepared to discuss your other projects and some sort of pipeline (though there is much less pressure to get your work into TAR/JAR/JAE and many more journals "count" for tenure purposes). You'll have office visits/interview type meetings with other faculty, probably do lunch and dinner, go on a campus tour, etc.This is super helpful, thanks so much!
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There will not be a fall market. What are you guys dosing on?
Must be nice to be able to see into the future with 100% clarity. There may not be many jobs in the fall (or the spring, for that matter), but that doesn't mean OP shouldn't be prepared in case there are any positions she/he might like to apply for.
This is super helpful, thanks so much!
Sure. I came from a "good" school in the last few years and decided to go on the fall market. A big hurdle was communicating sincere interest since we're generally expected to go to Miami and the last thing a school wants is someone who really wants to go to Miami stringing them along, wasting their resources, and then bailing once a Miami offer comes along or success there seems likely.
Talking to your advisor is also a good idea. Though I'm not sure half of our faculty even knew there was a fall market, so your mileage there may vary.
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A big hurdle was communicating sincere interest since we're generally expected to go to Miami and the last thing a school wants is someone who really wants to go to Miami stringing them along, wasting their resources, and then bailing once a Miami offer comes along or success there seems likely.
I agree with you that communicating sincere interest can be difficult if you go to the fall market from a "good" school. However, the problem you describe is very easy to solve by attaching a short fuse to the offer. I'm not even talking about an exploding offer BTW. Just one that expires before December.
If any fall market school really needs to hire but is foolish enough to leave an offer outstanding until next February/March, they got what they deserved.
That said, IMO any candidate from a "good" school thinking about going on the fall market should learn ASAP that it won't be as easy as they think. Even without the coronavirus issue, many "good" schools don't require their PhD students to teach classes as the lead instructor. Guess what a lot of fall market schools value?
Many "good" school students never worked in audit/tax and/or don't have CPAs, active or not. Guess what a lot of fall market schools value?
This is not to discourage anyone from doing this. Talk to your advisors if you are serious about it.
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Talking to your advisor is also a good idea. Though I'm not sure half of our faculty even knew there was a fall market, so your mileage there may vary.
Our students have traditionally only gone on the "regular" academic market, so that's the only one I know about. Is there any formal information about the fall market? I'd like to be able to pass it on to this year's JMCs.
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I agree with you that communicating sincere interest can be difficult if you go to the fall market from a "good" school. However, the problem you describe is very easy to solve by attaching a short fuse to the offer. I'm not even talking about an exploding offer BTW. Just one that expires before December.
If any fall market school really needs to hire but is foolish enough to leave an offer outstanding until next February/March, they got what they deserved.
That said, IMO any candidate from a "good" school thinking about going on the fall market should learn ASAP that it won't be as easy as they think. Even without the coronavirus issue, many "good" schools don't require their PhD students to teach classes as the lead instructor. Guess what a lot of fall market schools value?
Many "good" school students never worked in audit/tax and/or don't have CPAs, active or not. Guess what a lot of fall market schools value?
This is not to discourage anyone from doing this. Talk to your advisors if you are serious about it.
I agree with most of this. Obviously, some sort of deadline can solve the issue in many instances. Though schools are often offering late in the fall semester, where event a short deadline might not prevent someone from seeing how Miami goes as well. Many of these schools value teaching experience and CPA credentials.
Our students have traditionally only gone on the "regular" academic market, so that's the only one I know about. Is there any formal information about the fall market? I'd like to be able to pass it on to this year's JMCs.
AAA website around the annual meeting is the major resource here. Jobs start to show up in June and July in advance of the annual meeting and first-round interviews happen at the career center there. Applications can typically be submitted through a portal on the AAA site, but like Miami, may also be required directly on the school's website. Back when I went through this, I had similar materials ready to go as I would have had for Miami (research and teaching statements, letters from faculty, teaching reviews, my JMP, CV - I didn't submit an additional working paper anywhere, though they were listed on the CV).
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I agree with you that communicating sincere interest can be difficult if you go to the fall market from a "good" school. However, the problem you describe is very easy to solve by attaching a short fuse to the offer. I'm not even talking about an exploding offer BTW. Just one that expires before December.
If any fall market school really needs to hire but is foolish enough to leave an offer outstanding until next February/March, they got what they deserved.
That said, IMO any candidate from a "good" school thinking about going on the fall market should learn ASAP that it won't be as easy as they think. Even without the coronavirus issue, many "good" schools don't require their PhD students to teach classes as the lead instructor. Guess what a lot of fall market schools value?
Many "good" school students never worked in audit/tax and/or don't have CPAs, active or not. Guess what a lot of fall market schools value?
This is not to discourage anyone from doing this. Talk to your advisors if you are serious about it.I agree with most of this. Obviously, some sort of deadline can solve the issue in many instances. Though schools are often offering late in the fall semester, where event a short deadline might not prevent someone from seeing how Miami goes as well. Many of these schools value teaching experience and CPA credentials.
Our students have traditionally only gone on the "regular" academic market, so that's the only one I know about. Is there any formal information about the fall market? I'd like to be able to pass it on to this year's JMCs.
AAA website around the annual meeting is the major resource here. Jobs start to show up in June and July in advance of the annual meeting and first-round interviews happen at the career center there. Applications can typically be submitted through a portal on the AAA site, but like Miami, may also be required directly on the school's website. Back when I went through this, I had similar materials ready to go as I would have had for Miami (research and teaching statements, letters from faculty, teaching reviews, my JMP, CV - I didn't submit an additional working paper anywhere, though they were listed on the CV).
OP here - good to know these references! Prior to all this, I was only familiar with the fall market in broad strokes but thankfully the faculty here are realistic and at least acknowledge the fall market's potential (although prior to COVID it was subtlety discouraged). Much appreciate the positive discussion and hope everyone is staying safe and healthy!
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Hey research peeps, don’t go in the fall market. Stay in your lane. You wouldn’t like a school that values teaching as well as research.
I don't think anyone is telling people who only care about research to go on the fall market. Most of the above discussion suggests the opposite. My experience has been that we had a number of students that liked and wanted to be good at both research and teaching and would have probably fit well at "balanced" schools (and would probably have had a more enjoyable life and start to their careers if they'd chose those schools).