"I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of IQ. Also, in general I am talking of front office positions. Not back office."
No I just think youve never worked for a modern hedge fund thats making money.
Arcidiacono nails Harvard again for hiding preferences with fake black admits
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Are you joking? This is what EJMR is all about! Taking shots at pretentious HRM institutions:
Log(NAICS), family ruptures, etc.
But this case takes the cake. Stop pretending like you care about altruism. Back when other ethnic groups were barred from Harvard, it was a travesty. When it’s Asians then it’s unimportant.
The Harvard Asian Penalty Case is the fraud of the century
The only people complaining about this are a) white racists b) entitled people that think that they deserve admission to Harvard just because they spent all HS filling up their CV without considering quality.
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You sound like a pretentious a$$ who thinks they know what’s going on because you know a few people. Asian Americans work hard and don’t bietch to unhelpful leftists like yourself, it’s unproductive
The only people complaining about this are a) white racists b) entitled people that think that they deserve admission to Harvard just because they spent all HS filling up their CV without considering quality.
I know zero well-adjusted people (including a ton of Asian-Americans) that complain about this. -
The only people complaining about this are a) white racists b) entitled people that think that they deserve admission to Harvard just because they spent all HS filling up their CV without considering quality.
Honestly, I think that you're wrong.
I don't think that I'm racist, although I suppose that I can't be the authority on that point. I also support affirmative action. I think that racial diversity in college admissions is highly desirable, even if it means having lower academic standards for some groups.
But for all of that, I'm disturbed by the Harvard revelations, because some of the racial disparities that have been revealed are enormous. (Of course there are other gross problems too: huge preferences for legacies, recruited athletes, and people whose families are rich enough to donate millions. But none of that disposes of the point about huge racial disparities.)
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The only people complaining about this are a) white racists b) entitled people that think that they deserve admission to Harvard just because they spent all HS filling up their CV without considering quality.
I know zero well-adjusted people (including a ton of Asian-Americans) that complain about this.You are the only racist person here.
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I confirm, just racists and people obsessed with numbers.
Why an institution like Harvard whose goal is to prepare future leader should turn down a possible future Obama with someone with just a high score and some random extracurriculars?Can we please stop making this stupid argument? It is impossible to predict whether anyone will be a future Obama. For all you know, that someone with just a high score and some random extracurriculars has the same chance of being "a future leader" as whoever affirmative action admit you had in mind.
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Sure. Here is a toy example:
* Harvard must admit 10 people.
* There are 200 applicants. 100 are Asian and all have SAT of 740 or above. 100 are African-American and one has an SAT of 740 or above.
* Harvard is maximizing u = .9*(proportion of class >= 740 SAT) + .1(% African-American).
In this case, Harvard weights test scores (proportion >= 740) nine times more heavily than racial diversity (% African-American). But it admits 100% of African-Americans who have an SAT >= 740, while admitting only 9% (9 of 100) of Asians who have an SAT >= 740.
The lesson is that it's hard to interpret statements like "Conditional on scoring above a 740, African Americans were 4.46 times more likely to be admitted than Asian Americans" without knowing more about the applicant pool.But in your example
P(admission| sat > 740 and asian)= 9/100 = 9%
P(admission| sat > 740 and black)= 1/1= 100%
So it is more than ten times more likely to be accepted conditionally on being black with respect to Asian.
Yes. The point is that massive racial disparities in admissions can arise even when an admissions office places a small weight on racial diversity. Without knowing about the applicant pool (for example, about the test scores of the applicants), it's hard to say whether an admissions office is weighting racial considerations heavily.I read this outcome in a completely different way: even a very small preference for diversity , mild as you say, one that most people let go unnoticed or think is innocuous , actually translates in HUGE discrimination for some innocent individuals.
So more reason to say that even a small discrimination on the margin is WRONG