As a hongkong bro, let me tell you the history of Hongkong

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As a hongkong bro, let me tell you the history of Hongkong

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7d5b

Nonetheless, Hong Kong before hand-back was a very special place. I lived there in the early 1990s, and it was a really amazing combination of Chinese and Western values and culture, incredibly cosmopolitan, sophisticated, full of energy and razor-sharp capitalists. It was a unique place, and it's very sad to think that all the things that made it so distinctive are in all probability going to be squashed out of existence by the CCP.
RIP Hong Kong

HK in the 1980s and 1990s was one of the 4 Asian Tigers along with Singapore.
In fact, it was probably a tad better than Singapore and offered (and still offers) a standard of living among probably the top 10-20 in the world. It is a city with amazing culture and history and a wonderful language (Cantonese).

Of the 3 original ethnic Chinese tigers, both HK and Taiwan have basically been fixed by China's economic statecraft. Their society and economy will be gradually reigned in while the Shenzhen/Guangzhou/Pearl River Delta/Yangtze economic hubs will replace them by 2050.

Singapore has escaped that fate. But human rights, human dignity, basic freedoms, and respect for one another has been instilled in most of us in the Asia Pac region (Japan/HK/SG/Aus) since we were young. I always support my HK and TW friends.

加油香港

2 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
2848

This makes me cry.
but It's great to see people in the free world support each other during this dark time facing oppression from Xi and CCP.

加油香港

Nonetheless, Hong Kong before hand-back was a very special place. I lived there in the early 1990s, and it was a really amazing combination of Chinese and Western values and culture, incredibly cosmopolitan, sophisticated, full of energy and razor-sharp capitalists. It was a unique place, and it's very sad to think that all the things that made it so distinctive are in all probability going to be squashed out of existence by the CCP.
RIP Hong Kong

HK in the 1980s and 1990s was one of the 4 Asian Tigers along with Singapore.
In fact, it was probably a tad better than Singapore and offered (and still offers) a standard of living among probably the top 10-20 in the world. It is a city with amazing culture and history and a wonderful language (Cantonese).
Of the 3 original ethnic Chinese tigers, both HK and Taiwan have basically been fixed by China's economic statecraft. Their society and economy will be gradually reigned in while the Shenzhen/Guangzhou/Pearl River Delta/Yangtze economic hubs will replace them by 2050.
Singapore has escaped that fate. But human rights, human dignity, basic freedoms, and respect for one another has been instilled in most of us in the Asia Pac region (Japan/HK/SG/Aus) since we were young. I always support my HK and TW friends.
加油香港

2 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
7d5b

Most ordinary Mainland Chinese friends in the tier 1 or 2 cities want the same things in life as most of us (a healthy, decent, middle class life, clean and safe streets, etc). It is possible to reign in China (the autocratic government not the man on the street) and get it to follow the international system over the next few decades instead of vice versa and yielding to their pressures.

China should change to become more like HK and not the other way around. China can become a responsible state and an engine of prosperity for the world.

2 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
6a34

Is it the same guy? Or just coincidence?

2 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
2848

it doesn't look like that's going to happen.
More like a worse version of Brazilian dystopian metropolis controlled by dictators here and there in China. Bunch of skyscrapers, but no genuine culture, no freedom.

Most ordinary Mainland Chinese friends in the tier 1 or 2 cities want the same things in life as most of us (a healthy, decent, middle class life, clean and safe streets, etc). It is possible to reign in China (the autocratic government not the man on the street) and get it to follow the international system over the next few decades instead of vice versa and yielding to their pressures.
China should change to become more like HK and not the other way around. China can become a responsible state and an engine of prosperity for the world.

2 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 1 Vlad !
Economist
71c5

As a mainkander I am totally sympathetic to the HK people and I hate Xi more than many HongKongers.
But I can understand why he chose to do this (again not saying I agree with what he does). To the CCP, one of the biggest fear is through demonstration people throw of a government or achieve indeoendence. After the handover, rule of law in Hong Kong by and large was kept intact until last year. But the moment half a million gathered chanting for independence, you already know everything is over for the city.
Imagine the same happen in Beijing, you know there is no way Xi conceded to the demand.
Now if you recall, we really got into this for the quite petty extradition bill (I meant it is not like the CCP introduced it, it was mostly introduce to extract the murder from Taiwan). If the moment had split with the extreme side and the ones calling for independence, perhaps all of this could have gone a different way. Now it is too latw.
Anyway, you guys do have some sympathies among mainlanders. Calling people brain washed really is not helful for conversation, and not fair to people oppose. There are economic reasons why a mainland might not like a chaotic HK, as they might not internalize the value of freedom to you (again, why should they as a rational agent). Calling them brainwashed is both childish and unfair, and completely remove the possibility of a dialogue

Let's say there is another tiananmen in 2021.

Do you think Xi dares to shoot like Mao did?

I think the world has changed. They are going to shoot 3 million kids from shanghai or zhuhai who grew up drinking Starbucks and shopping at uniqlo?

What they fear is their corruption and hidden wealth exposed and a Gaddafi like ending.

Another 20-30 years even most mainlanders will want to get rid of the CCP.

2 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 1 Vlad !
Economist
9b23

Most ordinary Mainland Chinese friends in the tier 1 or 2 cities want the same things in life as most of us (a healthy, decent, middle class life, clean and safe streets, etc). It is possible to reign in China (the autocratic government not the man on the street) and get it to follow the international system over the next few decades instead of vice versa and yielding to their pressures.

Sorry, no. This is what everyone thought in the 90s. The problem is not that change is slow, the problem is that the change is actually quite fast, and in the wrong direction.

2 years ago # QUOTE 5 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
9b23

Do you think Xi dares to shoot like Mao did?

Yes.

2 years ago # QUOTE 5 Volod 1 Vlad !
Economist
bdf7

I am from HK. I am etnically, culturally, linguistically Chinese. I will learn to be proud of who I am, thanks to chairman Xi.

2 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 1 Vlad !
Economist
3ee1

I am from HK. I am etnically, culturally, linguistically Chinese. I will learn to be proud of who I am, thanks to chairman Xi.

5rmb have been added to your bank account.

Yours
-Xi

2 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
71c5

I am from HK. I am etnically, culturally, linguistically Chinese. I will learn to be proud of who I am, thanks to chairman Xi.

The hkers are proud of their heritage.

Ppl like u from the mainland should stop forcing them to speak Chinese. Cantonese is a very nice language, especially cantopop.

And hkers have their own way of life. They.mix Cantonese with English. They have British influences in their business and legal systems and culture. They have guangdong influences. They also have a small.migrant population and institutions and way of life built up over past century or two.

Don't force your mainland way of life down their throats. They won't like it.

2 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 1 Vlad !
Economist
71c5

HK toilets all have soap.

When your toilets have soap and toilet paper we can talk about you taking over the world.

Thanks.

2 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 1 Vlad !
Economist
71c5

Hk has one of the best healthcare and edu systems in the world.

When your doctors stop injecting fake vaccines and shooting energy bolts and your professors and students stop plaguarising outright so widely

We can talk about you taking over the world.

Thanks.

2 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 1 Vlad !
Economist
71c5

HK free public showers-no doubt a colonial legacy-is where boys meet. It’s these who are embarrassed of being Chinese.

The current generation of hkers don't like being Chinese. They are HONG KONGERS. If given a choice, most won't want to be Chinese.

They have a substantially different way of life from mainland China.

They don't want to be British, Japanese or Chinese. They just want to be HONG KONGER. Themselves.

Respect them and respect yourself. They may respect you more.

2 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 1 Vlad !
Economist
5da0

http://features.yaledailynews.com/blog/2020/05/13/the-revolution-of-our-time/

2 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
3c56

no need to insult. just look away.

Many years ago, Hongkong was a place governed by corrupted Qing emperor.
British came, and asked HKer whether they want to join U.K. in return, they brought HK capitalism, Democracy, technology, and wealth. Under British’s rule, HK became one of the most developed place in Asia and even in the world.
Until in 1997, CCP saw it, and CCP wanted the rich HK back. After negotiations and threats, they got HK from U.K. in 1997. However? Hong Kong people don’t want to become a part of CCP, like they don’t want to be part of the old corrupted Qing dynasty.
Now, CCP wants to turn HK from UK-like to NK-like city.

I am totally against CCP's recent policy, but I think your IQ is probably like 80 something.

2 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
8c97

I support Hong Kong in her struggle for freedom, rule of law, and self-determination.

- Eurobro

2 years ago # QUOTE 5 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
5c8e

Same old ChinaBro here. I feel deeply sorry for the situation in HK now. I think Xi's policy is backwards and I worry about a "one country one system" outcome.

My questions for the HKBro are: what's your solution? What are the lessons learned from previous protests?

I wish I have answers for you but I don't. But there are two thoughts I want to share with you:

1. HKers are HKers. I think it's a valuable opposition voice to CCP. But do you have to make that point by saying you prefer being British colony?

2. Please remember there are mainlanders who don't like the CCP way of doing things either. Why treat us as if we are enemies too? Tiananmen tragedy happened 30 years before you. In fact, I would even join your protests today--but no masks (in pre-covid sense of the world). I don't recall anyone at Tiananmen wore a mask. And, at Tiananmen, no subway was being set on fire by protesters.

2 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 5 Vlad !
Economist
a6fc

Shocked when talking to new gen chinese student, they have not heard of 8964. Their story is really brainwashed by CCP

2 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
3ee1

Same old ChinaBro here. I feel deeply sorry for the situation in HK now. I think Xi's policy is backwards and I worry about a "one country one system" outcome.
My questions for the HKBro are: what's your solution? What are the lessons learned from previous protests?
I wish I have answers for you but I don't. But there are two thoughts I want to share with you:
1. HKers are HKers. I think it's a valuable opposition voice to CCP. But do you have to make that point by saying you prefer being British colony?
2. Please remember there are mainlanders who don't like the CCP way of doing things either. Why treat us as if we are enemies too? Tiananmen tragedy happened 30 years before you. In fact, I would even join your protests today--but no masks (in pre-covid sense of the world). I don't recall anyone at Tiananmen wore a mask. And, at Tiananmen, no subway was being set on fire by protesters.

They did not wore masks because there were not facial recognition cameras everywhere.

What's the solution!?

Just leave HK alone, don't enact the law.

Quite simple.

Just let people live their lives and respect them

But you ar ejust regurgitating people's daily in a nice way.

2 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

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