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Economist
436a

Where have you been? I mean people in our discipline who use their position of authority to get away with touching people inappropriately without their consent and using them for sex.

When you say sexual predators, do you mean full grown male professors asking to be with young PhD econ ladies? Because just how will that be possible in a developed country like here?

This is serious. I know this unfortunately happens in countries where many of those females have got no choices, but America? Econ?
How can a grown man begin to touch a lady inappropriately, just like that? Can't she say no, or gather evidences to rope him?
Thinking aloud here. Is this not America?

From a dude: She is right when she asks "where have you been?" I have heard of this and posted about it having happened to a coauthor and have heard about problems with the same person from other women... and yet he continues to be an editor at a top journal. Hell, his own department won't leave him alone in a room with a woman -- at ASSA or departmental functions. So that is one of many cases.
I'm not saying you're a bad guy (or that I'm a good guy deserving praise), but just... open your eyes -- as in stop looking away and choosing to read other threads. It happens, it's been mentioned here repeatedly; and, if you start listening... you will be surprised how much it comes up or is casually alluded to.

But my question remains - can't this person(s) be set up?

I mean, several randy professors have been recently set up in a certain developing country where I come from. Hard evidences were used against these men. This is a country where patriarchy still holds sway. If ladies there can manage to pull this stunt, what are the ones in our profession, in a country with all the me-too movement, what are these ladies doing? Go act. Bring evidence, bring all, and nail the guy(s) if you have warned them severally but they won't hear. Is it that hard to do?

4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 3 Vlad !
Economist
eb9e

I see your point. False accusation is a concern, no doubt about that. The problem is that the answer is yes, it’s very hard, if they are important in your field. They won’t go away even if discovered, and then you just lose out on opportunities even if your allegation is confirmed.

Where have you been? I mean people in our discipline who use their position of authority to get away with touching people inappropriately without their consent and using them for sex.

When you say sexual predators, do you mean full grown male professors asking to be with young PhD econ ladies? Because just how will that be possible in a developed country like here?

This is serious. I know this unfortunately happens in countries where many of those females have got no choices, but America? Econ?
How can a grown man begin to touch a lady inappropriately, just like that? Can't she say no, or gather evidences to rope him?
Thinking aloud here. Is this not America?
From a dude: She is right when she asks "where have you been?" I have heard of this and posted about it having happened to a coauthor and have heard about problems with the same person from other women... and yet he continues to be an editor at a top journal. Hell, his own department won't leave him alone in a room with a woman -- at ASSA or departmental functions. So that is one of many cases.
I'm not saying you're a bad guy (or that I'm a good guy deserving praise), but just... open your eyes -- as in stop looking away and choosing to read other threads. It happens, it's been mentioned here repeatedly; and, if you start listening... you will be surprised how much it comes up or is casually alluded to.

But my question remains - can't this person(s) be set up?
I mean, several randy professors have been recently set up in a certain developing country where I come from. Hard evidences were used against these men. This is a country where patriarchy still holds sway. If ladies there can manage to pull this stunt, what are the ones in our profession, in a country with all the me-too movement, what are these ladies doing? Go act. Bring evidence, bring all, and nail the guy(s) if you have warned them severally but they won't hear. Is it that hard to do?

4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
436a

what kind of a bubble do u live in? Both me and a friend were sexually assaulted when in grad school, by supposed 'friends' in our peer group. Its pervasive.

Where have you been? I mean people in our discipline who use their position of authority to get away with touching people inappropriately without their consent and using them for sex.

When you say sexual predators, do you mean full grown male professors asking to be with young PhD econ ladies? Because just how will that be possible in a developed country like here?

This is serious. I know this unfortunately happens in countries where many of those females have got no choices, but America? Econ?
How can a grown man begin to touch a lady inappropriately, just like that? Can't she say no, or gather evidences to rope him?
Thinking aloud here. Is this not America?

It's sad to hear this, but I was thinking the discussion centered on profs taking advantage of young students or young AP and not some randy young make fooling himself by assaulting fellow student colleagues..

Anyway, it's bad. Any man that can master self control with any woman has won most of the battles in this world.

4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 3 Vlad !
Economist
eb02

But my question remains - can't this person(s) be set up?
I mean, several randy professors have been recently set up in a certain developing country where I come from. Hard evidences were used against these men. This is a country where patriarchy still holds sway. If ladies there can manage to pull this stunt, what are the ones in our profession, in a country with all the me-too movement, what are these ladies doing? Go act. Bring evidence, bring all, and nail the guy(s) if you have warned them severally but they won't hear. Is it that hard to do?

HIS OWN DEPARTMENT KNOWS. He doesn't need to be set up; he's been enabled. As long as he is an important editor and has tenure, they have to actively choose to take the hard route of going after him.

Shoot. One of my colleagues knew a guy where he got his PhD who was not even allowed to stand near women -- because he would grab their chest. In public. Like right in the middle of introductions or while talking about research amongst a crowd of people.

4 years ago # QUOTE 6 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
436a

Very few powerful men in this world won't abuse their office in one way or the other.

My earnest prayers everyday is to be among these very few when the time comes..

4 years ago # QUOTE 5 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
436a

But my question remains - can't this person(s) be set up?
I mean, several randy professors have been recently set up in a certain developing country where I come from. Hard evidences were used against these men. This is a country where patriarchy still holds sway. If ladies there can manage to pull this stunt, what are the ones in our profession, in a country with all the me-too movement, what are these ladies doing? Go act. Bring evidence, bring all, and nail the guy(s) if you have warned them severally but they won't hear. Is it that hard to do?

HIS OWN DEPARTMENT KNOWS. He doesn't need to be set up; he's been enabled. As long as he is an important editor and has tenure, they have to actively choose to take the hard route of going after him.
Shoot. One of my colleagues knew a guy where he got his PhD who was not even allowed to stand near women -- because he would grab their chest. In public. Like right in the middle of introductions or while talking about research amongst a crowd of people.

Please, are you really serious or joking? No, let's be serious now. You mean this happened?

4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
eb02

But my question remains - can't this person(s) be set up?
I mean, several randy professors have been recently set up in a certain developing country where I come from. Hard evidences were used against these men. This is a country where patriarchy still holds sway. If ladies there can manage to pull this stunt, what are the ones in our profession, in a country with all the me-too movement, what are these ladies doing? Go act. Bring evidence, bring all, and nail the guy(s) if you have warned them severally but they won't hear. Is it that hard to do?

HIS OWN DEPARTMENT KNOWS. He doesn't need to be set up; he's been enabled. As long as he is an important editor and has tenure, they have to actively choose to take the hard route of going after him.
Shoot. One of my colleagues knew a guy where he got his PhD who was not even allowed to stand near women -- because he would grab their chest. In public. Like right in the middle of introductions or while talking about research amongst a crowd of people.

Please, are you really serious or joking? No, let's be serious now. You mean this happened?

https://www.econjobrumors.com/topic/who-to-avoid-in-finance/page/3

4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
a107

thanks. now go back to your sociology containment forum, thot.

Go back to your padded cell, delusional aspie

4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
7b93

Well, I could've tried to comment on the specific point you're interested in, which is the abuse of power by senior folks. However, younger cohorts internalize what they see around them, even if its subtle, and that emboldens them to behave in horrible ways.

It's sad to hear this, but I was thinking the discussion centered on profs taking advantage of young students or young AP and not some randy young make fooling himself by assaulting fellow student colleagues..
Anyway, it's bad. Any man that can master self control with any woman has won most of the battles in this world.

4 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
436a

But my question remains - can't this person(s) be set up?
I mean, several randy professors have been recently set up in a certain developing country where I come from. Hard evidences were used against these men. This is a country where patriarchy still holds sway. If ladies there can manage to pull this stunt, what are the ones in our profession, in a country with all the me-too movement, what are these ladies doing? Go act. Bring evidence, bring all, and nail the guy(s) if you have warned them severally but they won't hear. Is it that hard to do?

HIS OWN DEPARTMENT KNOWS. He doesn't need to be set up; he's been enabled. As long as he is an important editor and has tenure, they have to actively choose to take the hard route of going after him.
Shoot. One of my colleagues knew a guy where he got his PhD who was not even allowed to stand near women -- because he would grab their chest. In public. Like right in the middle of introductions or while talking about research amongst a crowd of people.

Please, are you really serious or joking? No, let's be serious now. You mean this happened?

https://www.econjobrumors.com/topic/who-to-avoid-in-finance/page/3

This is crazy!

Their identities seem to be public. It is shamefully not hidden. In saner climes, no matter how powerful, such persons will be stripped of their positions and persecuted.

It seems strong and powerful academics in the US are impregnable and above the law????? That's crazy. This is news. Surely, I will be sharing this on one of my country's major forums. I will let my follow country people know that even America is not exempted and people get away with groping and sexual assaults in American, even when these people are known. It's shockingly shocking.

Mid age and old people behaving anyhow.

4 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 1 Vlad !
Economist
436a

Let me go sleep now. It's almost 12 in DC.

I wish all ladies the courage to overcome their oppressors. Abuse of office, abuse of power, this is not fair!!

4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
6079

I wish some women become truly great Economists.
The rest can continue to play these silly political games and hide their mediocrity behind this spiel.

Let me go sleep now. It's almost 12 in DC.
I wish all ladies the courage to overcome their oppressors. Abuse of office, abuse of power, this is not fair!!

4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 7 Vlad !
Economist
771f

I doubt 18EA is a woman.

I wish some women become truly great Economists.
The rest can continue to play these silly political games and hide their mediocrity behind this spiel.

Let me go sleep now. It's almost 12 in DC.
I wish all ladies the courage to overcome their oppressors. Abuse of office, abuse of power, this is not fair!!

4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 1 Vlad !
Economist
261b

A lady (with independent means of financial support and not too attached to a career in academics - what the hell become a wildly successful entrepreneur)needs to have a friend with a friend with a phone camera running, and when this assault happens get it recorded. And post all that on social media.

4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
f774

If you are looking for a model, medicine has come a long way. Was male dominated, now slightly female majority. Still issues, but big improvements. And they didn’t have to completely trash their culture to do it. They have a lot of locker room type talk, to deal with death on a daily basis...a dark sense of humor is often a necessary coping mechanism, but have cleaned up a lot. They seemed to have both cleaned stuff up and included women in the locker room talk. It’s a model to consider...not perfect, but it seems to have worked better than any other profession with similar problems.

4 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
fc1a

But isn't the true question how we all can be sexual beings?

4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
7dd7

Not sure I understand your point. Could you elaborate?

But isn't the true question how we all can be sexual beings?

4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
2087

I am an actual woman.

Pics or gtfo

4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 2 Vlad !
Economist
e7d9

I heard about the Fryer thing here months before it made the news. OP is exactly right.

4 years ago # QUOTE 5 Volod 0 Vlad !
Economist
2e40

One thing I wonder is how much harassment comes from particular fields?

The New York Times article someone linked recently about how its most gender imbalanced sub-field. The links here are to a thread in the finance forum. From moderating this site, when Alice Wu's paper dropped the first thing I thought about her results was do they hold over that time period if you exclude politics, and the finance forum? I definitely feel like that is the sub-forum where you see the most blatant racism/sexism in economics.

4 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 2 Vlad !

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