As a woman, I feel EJMR does more to address challenges I face than the AEA does

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As a woman, I feel EJMR does more to address challenges I face than the AEA does

Economist
07aa

Right. "Debunking the misogyny myth - a Sub-forum robust analysis". An AER paper right there. Oh wait,...

One thing I wonder is how much harassment comes from particular fields?
The New York Times article someone linked recently about how its most gender imbalanced sub-field. The links here are to a thread in the finance forum. From moderating this site, when Alice Wu's paper dropped the first thing I thought about her results was do they hold over that time period if you exclude politics, and the finance forum? I definitely feel like that is the sub-forum where you see the most blatant racism/sexism in economics.

3 years ago # QUOTE 5 Jerb 1 No Jerb !
Economist
07aa

Just read the article. It lays out how our overlords want us to think about this issue. It doesn't always come easy initially, but if you learn to relax, it will be better over time.

I still don't get it.

Well, you clearly didn't read the NYT article. In it, SA complained that she couldn't be a sexual being at MIT.

Not sure I understand your point. Could you elaborate?

But isn't the true question how we all can be sexual beings?

3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
7737

Let's do it, and use text analysis and google analytics data from Kork to impute gender at the forum level. We will test the hypothesis that critical language and objectifying wording against women moreso than men can be at least partially explained by gender composition.

Right. "Debunking the misogyny myth - a Sub-forum robust analysis". An AER paper right there. Oh wait,...

One thing I wonder is how much harassment comes from particular fields?
The New York Times article someone linked recently about how its most gender imbalanced sub-field. The links here are to a thread in the finance forum. From moderating this site, when Alice Wu's paper dropped the first thing I thought about her results was do they hold over that time period if you exclude politics, and the finance forum? I definitely feel like that is the sub-forum where you see the most blatant racism/sexism in economics.

3 years ago # QUOTE 1 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
7737

sorry, sub-forum

Let's do it, and use text analysis and google analytics data from Kork to impute gender at the forum level. We will test the hypothesis that critical language and objectifying wording against women moreso than men can be at least partially explained by gender composition.

Right. "Debunking the misogyny myth - a Sub-forum robust analysis". An AER paper right there. Oh wait,...

One thing I wonder is how much harassment comes from particular fields?
The New York Times article someone linked recently about how its most gender imbalanced sub-field. The links here are to a thread in the finance forum. From moderating this site, when Alice Wu's paper dropped the first thing I thought about her results was do they hold over that time period if you exclude politics, and the finance forum? I definitely feel like that is the sub-forum where you see the most blatant racism/sexism in economics.

3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
4c62

If you are looking for a model, medicine has come a long way. Was male dominated, now slightly female majority. Still issues, but big improvements. And they didn’t have to completely trash their culture to do it. They have a lot of locker room type talk, to deal with death on a daily basis...a dark sense of humor is often a necessary coping mechanism, but have cleaned up a lot. They seemed to have both cleaned stuff up and included women in the locker room talk. It’s a model to consider...not perfect, but it seems to have worked better than any other profession with similar problems.

This is under rated. The most interesting difference here is that they did not lower their standards just to make the numbers. You can’t because it’s a matter of life and death. But economics being subjective it is rather easy to simply lower the standards and make a picture perfect diverse environment,

Unfortunately this mirage doesn’t last and people see the reality sooner or later. This makes the quota hires even more resentful and they then go and think even respect can be sought without true merit.

Nope the end is almost confirmed here. It all comes crashing down.

3 years ago # QUOTE 1 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
6a8e

Totally agree

3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
295a

Yeah, quotas and AA are not going to solve anything. They will cause people to assume most females are overplaced, and discount their quality. How will that help?

If you are looking for a model, medicine has come a long way. Was male dominated, now slightly female majority. Still issues, but big improvements. And they didn’t have to completely trash their culture to do it. They have a lot of locker room type talk, to deal with death on a daily basis...a dark sense of humor is often a necessary coping mechanism, but have cleaned up a lot. They seemed to have both cleaned stuff up and included women in the locker room talk. It’s a model to consider...not perfect, but it seems to have worked better than any other profession with similar problems.

This is under rated. The most interesting difference here is that they did not lower their standards just to make the numbers. You can’t because it’s a matter of life and death. But economics being subjective it is rather easy to simply lower the standards and make a picture perfect diverse environment,
Unfortunately this mirage doesn’t last and people see the reality sooner or later. This makes the quota hires even more resentful and they then go and think even respect can be sought without true merit.
Nope the end is almost confirmed here. It all comes crashing down.

3 years ago # QUOTE 2 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
8756

Where have you been? I mean people in our discipline who use their position of authority to get away with touching people inappropriately without their consent and using them for sex.

When you say sexual predators, do you mean full grown male professors asking to be with young PhD econ ladies? Because just how will that be possible in a developed country like here?

Plenty of women have touched my arms while talking to them at conferences, seminars, etc. Like they will full on come up to me and while saying hello reach out and cup my arm with their hand.

Should I be offerded at that? It always strikes me as a little weird. I have touched the arm of another human, other than my wife, or kids, in a comforting manner. The only other people who do this are waitresses who are obviously using human contact to generate extra tips.

3 years ago # QUOTE 7 Jerb 4 No Jerb !
Economist
a887

The ads I get while reading threads like this are just incredible

3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
cbec

Where have you been? I mean people in our discipline who use their position of authority to get away with touching people inappropriately without their consent and using them for sex.

When you say sexual predators, do you mean full grown male professors asking to be with young PhD econ ladies? Because just how will that be possible in a developed country like here?

Plenty of women have touched my arms while talking to them at conferences, seminars, etc. Like they will full on come up to me and while saying hello reach out and cup my arm with their hand.
Should I be offerded at that? It always strikes me as a little weird. I have touched the arm of another human, other than my wife, or kids, in a comforting manner. The only other people who do this are waitresses who are obviously using human contact to generate extra tips.

In non-puritan countries, people touch and kiss others when greeting without any meaning. All these weird issues are an almost only-American phenomenon.

3 years ago # QUOTE 7 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
c177

Just want to agree with OP that EJMR has been a good place for women recently. Have enjoyed some anonymous discussions here.

3 years ago # QUOTE 6 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
5e07

Where have you been? I mean people in our discipline who use their position of authority to get away with touching people inappropriately without their consent and using them for sex.

When you say sexual predators, do you mean full grown male professors asking to be with young PhD econ ladies? Because just how will that be possible in a developed country like here?

Plenty of women have touched my arms while talking to them at conferences, seminars, etc. Like they will full on come up to me and while saying hello reach out and cup my arm with their hand.
Should I be offerded at that? It always strikes me as a little weird. I have touched the arm of another human, other than my wife, or kids, in a comforting manner. The only other people who do this are waitresses who are obviously using human contact to generate extra tips.

In non-puritan countries, people touch and kiss others when greeting without any meaning. All these weird issues are an almost only-American phenomenon.

Agreed. The US and the UK are notorious for social awckwardness. Very strange to most other people in the West.

3 years ago # QUOTE 4 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
7a5f

I am a female PhD student and I'm really grateful that the environment in my department is really very good. As far as I can tell everyone is very warm and friendly, but also professional.

3 years ago # QUOTE 6 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
0c74

https://twitter.com/causalinf/status/1083730872111632385

but no names. this is where the anonymity of ejmr helps.

3 years ago # QUOTE 2 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
520c

Blanchard can't be here because he had to go to lunch.

3 years ago # QUOTE 4 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
090f

RW

Their initials have been mentioned. Promptly deleted, sometimes, though.

Have any sexual predator(s) been actually named on ejmr though? the mods would go nuts.

3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
1309

Been gone a few years -- wow, EJMR strong! The last time I was here it had become pretty toxic, and with frequent neonazi raids.

Sorry, carry on. Happy to go sleep now. Trust in humanity restored.

Male, not abusing power

3 years ago # QUOTE 3 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
0152

Been gone a few years -- wow, EJMR strong! The last time I was here it had become pretty toxic, and with frequent neonazi raids.
Sorry, carry on. Happy to go sleep now. Trust in humanity restored.
Male, not abusing power

Good not abusing power

3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
b0ea

He's talking about Heckman.

https://twitter.com/causalinf/status/1083730872111632385
but no names. this is where the anonymity of ejmr helps.

2 years ago # QUOTE 0 Jerb 0 No Jerb !
Economist
37d3

I think that those of us who read EJMR a bit had already figured that out...

He's talking about Heckman.

https://twitter.com/causalinf/status/1083730872111632385
but no names. this is where the anonymity of ejmr helps.

2 years ago # QUOTE 1 Jerb 0 No Jerb !

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