Flyouts just started here
Who got UoM
Australian Schools
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Good opportunity to return to a much healthier situation around 15 years ago. It was an epochal mistake to treat universities as businesses. The people who suffered most under the influx were Australian students — having their educational experience ruined by a horde of mainlanders taking up class time with remedial English needs, and destroying the honesty and honor culture on campus with their constant cheating (like in US and UK universities too). A step back in time, and massive reduction in the mainland chinese plague, will be a welcome return to health for Australian universities. I welcome it.
By the way, most of my colleagues feel the same way. It is only the administrators who are in a panic.
- HRM PhD, Australian faculty
They will be in trouble. Fewer Chinese cash cows in the short run.
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Having been a lecturer in Australia, I can say that unequivocally, the most cheating I ever had was by native Australian students. I am not from China or even Asian (not that it matters, but in case you’re worried I am being biased for Chinese students). There are a lot of issues with relying on Chinese students and I agree that reducing this reliance is very important. But let’s not pretend that Aussie students don’t cheat like crazy.
Good opportunity to return to a much healthier situation around 15 years ago. It was an epochal mistake to treat universities as businesses. The people who suffered most under the influx were Australian students — having their educational experience ruined by a horde of mainlanders taking up class time with remedial English needs, and destroying the honesty and honor culture on campus with their constant cheating (like in US and UK universities too). A step back in time, and massive reduction in the mainland chinese plague, will be a welcome return to health for Australian universities. I welcome it.
By the way, most of my colleagues feel the same way. It is only the administrators who are in a panic.
- HRM PhD, Australian facultyThey will be in trouble. Fewer Chinese cash cows in the short run.
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Being tenured faculty in Australia, I can assure you that you are completely, utterly wrong. The cheating problem has accelerated sharply in recent years, and is almost entirely due to one, ahem, “cohort”. In other words the mainland chinese. Nobody who has been near an Australian university in the last decade has any doubt about this, so I presume that you have never lectured at an Australian university. We all know this is true.
Having been a lecturer in Australia, I can say that unequivocally, the most cheating I ever had was by native Australian students. I am not from China or even Asian (not that it matters, but in case you’re worried I am being biased for Chinese students). There are a lot of issues with relying on Chinese students and I agree that reducing this reliance is very important. But let’s not pretend that Aussie students don’t cheat like crazy.
Good opportunity to return to a much healthier situation around 15 years ago. It was an epochal mistake to treat universities as businesses. The people who suffered most under the influx were Australian students — having their educational experience ruined by a horde of mainlanders taking up class time with remedial English needs, and destroying the honesty and honor culture on campus with their constant cheating (like in US and UK universities too). A step back in time, and massive reduction in the mainland chinese plague, will be a welcome return to health for Australian universities. I welcome it.
By the way, most of my colleagues feel the same way. It is only the administrators who are in a panic.
- HRM PhD, Australian facultyThey will be in trouble. Fewer Chinese cash cows in the short run.
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^ Just because you’re tenured (me too), doesn’t mean you’re not a dummy. Sure, Chinese students cheat some, but it can usually be prevented by writing your own exams and not reusing them. The most egregious stuff has always been the Ausssies. Usually it’s the ones from private school that have no actual tools to deal with something that comes difficult to them. It’s like their avo and toast filled brains explode.
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Also being tenured in Australia and Asian,I kind of agree with the observation toward Chinese students. However, it can be avoidable by not having all tests and exams copied from textbank and fully online. Students, especially international students deserve better quality education, particularly business education by paying so much tuition.
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Also being tenured in Australia and Asian,I kind of agree with the observation toward Chinese students. However, it can be avoidable by not having all tests and exams copied from textbank and fully online. Students, especially international students deserve better quality education, particularly business education by paying so much tuition.
Why do international students especially deserve better education compared to domestic students? Do you have something against domestic students? You imply that they are somehow less deserving.
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Also being tenured in Australia and Asian,I kind of agree with the observation toward Chinese students. However, it can be avoidable by not having all tests and exams copied from textbank and fully online. Students, especially international students deserve better quality education, particularly business education by paying so much tuition.
Why do international students especially deserve better education compared to domestic students? Do you have something against domestic students? You imply that they are somehow less deserving.
My apology if you may have misquoted or misunderstood. Every student deserves the same good quality education. International students are mostly taught in huge classes (mostly master students), and aussie schools knowingly or unknowingly put them in a somehow more disadvantaged situation in terms of teacher-student interactions. In the States, if there are 100 students enrolling in Corporate Finance, it would be likely divided into 3 classes taught by 3 instructors. Unfortunately, it is not the case at most of the Australian universities.
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Also being tenured in Australia and Asian,I kind of agree with the observation toward Chinese students. However, it can be avoidable by not having all tests and exams copied from textbank and fully online. Students, especially international students deserve better quality education, particularly business education by paying so much tuition.
Why do international students especially deserve better education compared to domestic students? Do you have something against domestic students? You imply that they are somehow less deserving.
My apology if you may have misquoted or misunderstood. Every student deserves the same good quality education. International students are mostly taught in huge classes (mostly master students), and aussie schools knowingly or unknowingly put them in a somehow more disadvantaged situation in terms of teacher-student interactions. In the States, if there are 100 students enrolling in Corporate Finance, it would be likely divided into 3 classes taught by 3 instructors. Unfortunately, it is not the case at most of the Australian universities.
That's because in the US they use adjuncts as instructors. the contracts they are on would contravene Australian employment law. This forces larger class sizes. It is what it is.
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Not in terms of research, but in terms of education, yes.
You may wish to check out the courses offered by Monash econometrics/stats department, or the econ courses offered by UNSW.
These courses are much more rigorous than offered by my US MRM.
None of the Aus schools is comparable with top30 in the US. This is sad but true.
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Definitely in terms of research. Is there actually "teaching quality" at public schools? Much worse than LACs and private schools, not even close.
Not in terms of research, but in terms of education, yes.
You may wish to check out the courses offered by Monash econometrics/stats department, or the econ courses offered by UNSW.
These courses are much more rigorous than offered by my US MRM.None of the Aus schools is comparable with top30 in the US. This is sad but true.