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• Thread: 643 Goods vs 160 No Goods

1. Economist
   fec0
   

   Edelman was denied tenure at HBS, apparently for teaching. So another incredibly productive economist goes down in flames at HBS NOM. Nava Ashraf went down a few years ago and was promptly hired by LSE as a full Professor and headed her own institute. I'm sure Edelman will get something similar. This is after they failed Ian Larkin (who just got tenure at UCLA) and Peter Coles (whose options at AirBnB are worth zillions) at midpoint review, and earlier denied tenure to Kevin Murphy (the USC one). And people like Al Roth and George Baker left too. Meanwhile, they are giving tenure to psychologists like Francesca Gino and Deepak Malhotra who have lots of incredibly weak papers but are apparently superstar teachers. It's clear what HBS values, and it's not good research.

   The poor untenured economists there like Michael Luca, Jonathan Beshears and Joshua Schwartzstein must be quaking in their boots now. How do they get tenure if Ashraf and Edelman were denied?

   And why would any junior economist ever go to that dumpster fire? I'd rather go to a tier 3 department, at least I'd have some chance to move up if I had as many top publications as Ashraf and Edelman did. Instead they had to invest in a bunch of stupid cases which no one else values.

   What a joke.

   5 years ago # QUOTE 10 Volod 22 Vlad !

2. Economist
   edc4
   

   Is this threas serious? How come HBS values teaching over research? This sounds so low tier school.

   5 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

3. Economist
   7c4f
   

   Is he the one who sued the Chinese restaurant for $12?

   5 years ago # QUOTE 33 Volod 1 Vlad !

4. Economist
   7c4f
   

   Total loser of a man.
   https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boston.com/culture/restaurants/2014/12/09/ben-edelman-harvard-business-school-professor-goes-to-war-over-4-worth-of-chinese-food/amp

   5 years ago # QUOTE 25 Volod 6 Vlad !

5. Economist
   2bfd
   

   Is he the one who sued the Chinese restaurant for $12?

   what a freaking autist

   5 years ago # QUOTE 15 Volod 3 Vlad !

6. Economist
   a68c
   

   ACL injury couldn't have helped.

   5 years ago # QUOTE 7 Volod 0 Vlad !

7. Economist
   4eb0
   

   How dare a business school - well, any university - care about teaching?! Outrageous!

   5 years ago # QUOTE 30 Volod 0 Vlad !

8. Economist
   2296
   

   Principles bro it's all about principles

   Is he the one who sued the Chinese restaurant for $12?

   5 years ago # QUOTE 4 Volod 3 Vlad !

9. Economist
   fdb8
   

   they probably threw him out because he is such an @55hole

   5 years ago # QUOTE 19 Volod 3 Vlad !

10. Economist
    edd1
    

    Well he is in luck! This job opening just opened up:

    https://www.bostonchefs.com/job/sumiao-hunan-kitchen-restaurant-manager/

    He seems very passionate about chinese cuisine (in fact I should say extremely passionate) so I'm sure he'll fit in very quickly.

    5 years ago # QUOTE 25 Volod 4 Vlad !

11. Economist
    f76a
    

    How dare a business school - well, any university - care about teaching?! Outrageous!

    They really shouldn't. Adcoms should select well enough that the students should be teaching themselves.

    5 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 7 Vlad !

12. Economist
    0c90
    

    I gots the feeling this is Ben himself.

    Edelman was denied tenure at HBS, apparently for teaching. So another incredibly productive economist goes down in flames at HBS NOM. Nava Ashraf went down a few years ago and was promptly hired by LSE as a full Professor and headed her own institute. I'm sure Edelman will get something similar. This is after they failed Ian Larkin (who just got tenure at UCLA) and Peter Coles (whose options at AirBnB are worth zillions) at midpoint review, and earlier denied tenure to Kevin Murphy (the USC one). And people like Al Roth and George Baker left too. Meanwhile, they are giving tenure to psychologists like Francesca Gino and Deepak Malhotra who have lots of incredibly weak papers but are apparently superstar teachers. It's clear what HBS values, and it's not good research.
    The poor untenured economists there like Michael Luca, Jonathan Beshears and Joshua Schwartzstein must be quaking in their boots now. How do they get tenure if Ashraf and Edelman were denied?
    And why would any junior economist ever go to that dumpster fire? I'd rather go to a tier 3 department, at least I'd have some chance to move up if I had as many top publications as Ashraf and Edelman did. Instead they had to invest in a bunch of stupid cases which no one else values.
    What a joke.

    5 years ago # QUOTE 32 Volod 5 Vlad !

13. Economist
    33c0
    

    Please if you went to a tier three and did as well as these guys you'd be lucky to move up to a place ranked half as high as the places these guys move down to. Getting tenure at a top 5 is only for the best of the best. But if you fail you still walk right into tenure at another HRM/ high MRM.

    5 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 1 Vlad !

14. Economist
    edd1
    

    To be fair. Put yourselves in the shoes of top university officials. Do you want to be known as the university that employs a guy that shakes down chinese restaurants over $12? Even if he is right, his course of action was morally and socially repulsive and that is not the image a top university what's associated with them.

    5 years ago # QUOTE 14 Volod 8 Vlad !

15. Economist
    550f
    

    HBS really values being a good teacher *and* good member of the community. BE doesn't exactly fit in those boxes. It's not like his publication record is lights-out either. The other economists you mention don't have the same problems

    5 years ago # QUOTE 5 Volod 0 Vlad !

16. Economist
    edd1
    

    HBS really values being a good teacher *and* good member of the community.

    Yeah, don't worry. Chicago likely is opening up a spot for him as "goodness" is not one of their criteria.

    5 years ago # QUOTE 6 Volod 0 Vlad !

17. Economist
    73b1
    

    Your stories seemed to support the theory that those are unfit for HBS. Look at their next jobs, none is at par with Harvard. So I think it was the right decision for Harvard to fire them.

    Edelman was denied tenure at HBS, apparently for teaching. So another incredibly productive economist goes down in flames at HBS NOM. Nava Ashraf went down a few years ago and was promptly hired by LSE as a full Professor and headed her own institute. I'm sure Edelman will get something similar. This is after they failed Ian Larkin (who just got tenure at UCLA) and Peter Coles (whose options at AirBnB are worth zillions) at midpoint review, and earlier denied tenure to Kevin Murphy (the USC one). And people like Al Roth and George Baker left too. Meanwhile, they are giving tenure to psychologists like Francesca Gino and Deepak Malhotra who have lots of incredibly weak papers but are apparently superstar teachers. It's clear what HBS values, and it's not good research.
    The poor untenured economists there like Michael Luca, Jonathan Beshears and Joshua Schwartzstein must be quaking in their boots now. How do they get tenure if Ashraf and Edelman were denied?
    And why would any junior economist ever go to that dumpster fire? I'd rather go to a tier 3 department, at least I'd have some chance to move up if I had as many top publications as Ashraf and Edelman did. Instead they had to invest in a bunch of stupid cases which no one else values.
    What a joke.

    5 years ago # QUOTE 5 Volod 4 Vlad !

18. Economist
    788b
    

    Wow. Dude seems like a douche.

    5 years ago # QUOTE 11 Volod 2 Vlad !

19. Economist
    4eb0
    

    Wow. Dude seems like a douche.

    This I can confirm at a personal level

    5 years ago # QUOTE 12 Volod 0 Vlad !

20. Economist
    fdb8
    

    he would have gotten tenure at MIT, where they specialize in doucheness

    5 years ago # QUOTE 14 Volod 2 Vlad !

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