SJTU(econ) 50w, really?
China Job Market (In One Thread)
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Rank W.Rank Institution Score Authors Author shares
1 [1] Shanghai Advanced Institute of Finance (SAIF), Shanghai Jiao Tong University
Shanghai, China
1.63 39 37.29
2 [2] Central University of Finance and Economics (CUFE)
Beijing, China
1.87 59 53.45
3 [3] Cheung Kong Graduate School of Business
Beijing, China
2.82 56 56
--- [---] China Economics and Management Academy, Central University of Finance and Economics (CUFE)
Beijing, China
3.22 31 26.09
4 [4] School of Economics and Management, Tsinghua University
Beijing, China
4.45 21 19.41
5 [5] Guanghua School of Management, Peking University
Beijing, China
5.83 29 27.61
6 [6] China Europe International Business School
Shanghai, China
6.78 42 41.5
7 [7] China Center for Economic Research (CCER), Peking University
Beijing, China
8.04 21 16.29
8 [8] PBC School of Finance, Tsinghua University
Beijing, China
10.43 5 4.68
9 [9] School of Economics, Fudan University
Shanghai, China
10.56 14 12.86
10 [11] Center for Chinese Agricultural Policy (CCAP), Chinese Academy of Sciences
Beijing, China
10.83 9 9
11 [10] Southwestern University of Finance and Economics (SWUFE)
Chengdu, China
11.23 41 37.53 -
And you don't travel otherwise?
Not true. That fund can only be used for research. They have strict rules now you can't use them other than travel.
Including discretionary research funds (almost equivalent to tax-free cash income) and housing subsidy
SJTU(econ) 50w, really?
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you have to use a special visa so as to use the fund. They also have a limit on how much you ca spend per day. If you want to use the fund to research, you have to go through some complex process. The cash you get is more like 400k or a bit more RMB.
And you don't travel otherwise?
Not true. That fund can only be used for research. They have strict rules now you can't use them other than travel.
Including discretionary research funds (almost equivalent to tax-free cash income) and housing subsidy
SJTU(econ) 50w, really?
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After not so positive job market experience with a business school in Shanghai, China, I feel like to share the following with market candidates, especially when you apply Chinese universities this year.
• I received the job offer in January, after an interview on the job market. It turns out eventually that the university did not stick to their written job offer when they provide the real job contract.
• The real job contract deviates in terms of salary, social security benefit from the original job offer. The job contract I received had errors that they recognized and admitted as false drafting, which the university did not amend even if after I required so.
• The university failed to offer me a job and I received this information as a surprise in June. The reason is that my publication is not good enough to pass the HR screening. HR screening is not mentioned until May, and I had no idea whether I can get the job is dependent on HR screening. They reviewed my CV and we talked about my publication on the job market six months ago, and they were obviously ok with my publication then.To sum up, when issuing the job contract, the university did not follow the job offer I received. The school did not offer me a job after I pointed out the discrepancies and proposed discussion & negotiation. They did not put much effort in discussing or negotiating terms with me, and did not offer me a job eventually because of failed HR screening.
Many Chinese universities provide good research opportunities for new graduates. If you have made up your mind to work in China, I guess the lesson I learned is that do not fully trust the job offer, make sure you enter into a legally binding job contract before you reject other alternatives.
Good luck everyone!
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Name or it didn't happen. Which school in Shanghai? Fudan?
After not so positive job market experience with a business school in Shanghai, China, I feel like to share the following with market candidates, especially when you apply Chinese universities this year.
• I received the job offer in January, after an interview on the job market. It turns out eventually that the university did not stick to their written job offer when they provide the real job contract.
• The real job contract deviates in terms of salary, social security benefit from the original job offer. The job contract I received had errors that they recognized and admitted as false drafting, which the university did not amend even if after I required so.
• The university failed to offer me a job and I received this information as a surprise in June. The reason is that my publication is not good enough to pass the HR screening. HR screening is not mentioned until May, and I had no idea whether I can get the job is dependent on HR screening. They reviewed my CV and we talked about my publication on the job market six months ago, and they were obviously ok with my publication then.
To sum up, when issuing the job contract, the university did not follow the job offer I received. The school did not offer me a job after I pointed out the discrepancies and proposed discussion & negotiation. They did not put much effort in discussing or negotiating terms with me, and did not offer me a job eventually because of failed HR screening.
Many Chinese universities provide good research opportunities for new graduates. If you have made up your mind to work in China, I guess the lesson I learned is that do not fully trust the job offer, make sure you enter into a legally binding job contract before you reject other alternatives.
Good luck everyone! -
7aff here. Yes, it is Fudan.
Name or it didn't happen. Which school in Shanghai? Fudan?
After not so positive job market experience with a business school in Shanghai, China, I feel like to share the following with market candidates, especially when you apply Chinese universities this year.
• I received the job offer in January, after an interview on the job market. It turns out eventually that the university did not stick to their written job offer when they provide the real job contract.
• The real job contract deviates in terms of salary, social security benefit from the original job offer. The job contract I received had errors that they recognized and admitted as false drafting, which the university did not amend even if after I required so.
• The university failed to offer me a job and I received this information as a surprise in June. The reason is that my publication is not good enough to pass the HR screening. HR screening is not mentioned until May, and I had no idea whether I can get the job is dependent on HR screening. They reviewed my CV and we talked about my publication on the job market six months ago, and they were obviously ok with my publication then.
To sum up, when issuing the job contract, the university did not follow the job offer I received. The school did not offer me a job after I pointed out the discrepancies and proposed discussion & negotiation. They did not put much effort in discussing or negotiating terms with me, and did not offer me a job eventually because of failed HR screening.
Many Chinese universities provide good research opportunities for new graduates. If you have made up your mind to work in China, I guess the lesson I learned is that do not fully trust the job offer, make sure you enter into a legally binding job contract before you reject other alternatives.
Good luck everyone!
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I have tons of experience dealing with Chinese universities as a faculty member and places my students there. 7AFF's experience is not that unusual at all. You can't deal with Mainland institutions they same you can with universities in other parts of the world. Note the job offer you receive means jack s**t, you don't have a formal job offer until there is a university contract to sign. You will not get to see that until after you arrive.
If you are truly honest sort, you're best off telling any Chinese university that you will not take yourself off the market until you receive a copy of the contract that they have signed off on and both sides are happy with the terms.
If you want to role around in the dirt with these scum, then your best options depend upon if you are a PRC citizen or not. If you are PRC, then simply tentively accept all of your acceptable offers, but don't have your personal file moved to any of them. In the summer go to the school whose offered you like the best, if the contract is BS then you ask them to honor the original offer, change offending language, otherwise move to your second best.
If you are not PRC, your course of action is trickier. Use your favorite offer to get your visa letter, and then string along other schools. When you arrive at your favourite, do not give them your passport to get your foreign experts certificate if there is any issue with your contract. Then if negotiations are not going well call you next favorite place and see what they can do, in particular show you a signed contract.
Once you are happily placed, realize the contract you signed doesn't mean s**t. The university will feel no obligation to honour it. Also, you won't get paid for many months while your PhD degree is certified.
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7aff here. I am not 0651. So please disregard the comment about Fudan university.
Regardless which university it is, the risk exists in many universities in PR.China. I simply want to share my lesson that nailing a signed job contract before you reject other alternatives.
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https://chroniclevitae.com/jobs/0000347929-01
Position
Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies is seeking to appoint a full-time, tenure-track assistant or associate professor in international relations of China, with a focus on economics, in the China Studies Program. Successful candidates will have an active research agenda and expected success in teaching classes, as well as an academic publication record. Preference will be given to candidates who combine outstanding academic research with proven or potential excellence in teaching. This position will also have program implementation responsibility on China and the Pacific Community. The position is located in Washington, D.C. The goal is to fill the position during the Spring 2017 semester, with the appointment starting effectively on July 1, 2017. Review of applications will continue until the position is filled.
Qualifications
A Ph.D. awarded by June 2017 will be a condition of employment. A record of excellence in teaching would be a distinct advantage.
Application
Electronic submissions are preferred. A letter of application, curriculum vitae, samples of academic research three letters of recommendation and any teaching evaluations should be submitted to: SAISChinaStudiesSearch@jhu.edu
OR
Send via mail to:
SAIS China Studies Search Committee
School of Advanced International Studies
The Johns Hopkins University
1740 Massachusetts Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20036Applications will be reviewed beginning January 30, 2017, and will be accepted until a final decision is made. Inquiries may be sent to SAISChinaStudiesSearch@jhu.edu.
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Let's update the following list (packages 2 years ago) for 2015:
CQTBU (econ) 15-20w
Shandong U (econ) 20-25w
PKU SOE (econ) 24w
SWUFE (econ) 25w
BNU (econ/fin) 25-30w
Wuhan U (econ) 26w
CUFE Stat (econ) 60w
CUEB (econ) 30w
Renmin Econ (econ) 30w
Renmin Labor and HR (econ) 32w
WISE (econ) 36w
Henan (econ) 30 w
Henan (fin)35w
Fudan SOE (econ) 35w
Fudan SOM 38w
SJTU 60w
ZJU (econ/fin) 35w
SHUFE (econ) 35w
THU SEM (econ) 36w
Renmin Hanqing (fin) 39w
UIBE Finance (econ) 40w
SHUFE (fin) 40w
PKU Guanghua (econ/fin) 40w
PKU HSBC (econ) 40w
Lingnan (econ/fin) 42w
THU (fin) 42w
PKU CCER 45w
THU Shenzhen (fin) 40-50w
SWUFE (fin institute)50w
Renmin Business School (fin) 50w
PKU HSBC (fin) 65w
CEIBS (fin) 70w
HKU-SZ 80w
SAIF (fin) 80w
PBC80w
CKGSB (econ) 160w
CKGSB (fin) 200w -
Any updates on this list?
We can start with sharing the "tenure" requirement info. Different schools have different journal lists and the requirements also vary a lot. For some schools, the publication requirements are almost sufficient for "tenure", while for others might not be the case.
Most of the lists rank the same five journals at the top tier, and then have A, B, C tiers. Most of the lists are not made public.
Fudan: 25 A (more precisely, 10A+15A-) and 42B journals on the list. Requires 1A+2B in 6 years.
SUFE: 14 A and 41 B on list (the list is online). Requires 2A +2B? in 6 years. Before this year, the requirement was 1A+2B.
SJTU: list unknown, should be short. Requires 2A+ ? in 8 years.
THU: 26 A on list. Requires 3A+ ? in 9 years.
Others: SWUFE, PKU GSM, WHU, ZJU, NJU, Lingnan...
Please correct and add new.