I am not getting tenure, and my colleagues and I know it, but I still have one year on my tenure clock which I need to work on my pubs before I go on the market again. I am depressed and my colleagues treat me like I have a contagious disease. Be nice to me.
Depressed assistant professor
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The first year you arrived, I reached out to you, took you for lunch, invited over for dinner. I always asked you how your papers were going? I have you unsolicited advice on what outlets you might have sent them. Warned you about journals with long delays, against only working with senior people or former advisors. Yet you never listened, so i gave up. Our vote was unanimous against your tenure case, and I slept well that night knowing that I did my best earlier on to point you in the right direction. You are a decent human being, but publications and professionalism is what matters for tenure. Good luck with your life.
I am not getting tenure, and my colleagues and I know it, but I still have one year on my tenure clock which I need to work on my pubs before I go on the market again. I am depressed and my colleagues treat me like I have a contagious disease. Be nice to me.
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The first year you arrived, I reached out to you, took you for lunch, invited over for dinner. I always asked you how your papers were going? I have you unsolicited advice on what outlets you might have sent them. Warned you about journals with long delays, against only working with senior people or former advisors. Yet you never listened, so i gave up. Our vote was unanimous against your tenure case, and I slept well that night knowing that I did my best earlier on to point you in the right direction. You are a decent human being, but publications and professionalism is what matters for tenure. Good luck with your life.
I am not getting tenure, and my colleagues and I know it, but I still have one year on my tenure clock which I need to work on my pubs before I go on the market again. I am depressed and my colleagues treat me like I have a contagious disease. Be nice to me.
You sound like a douchebag.
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Sounds a bit douchy indeed, but at least (s)he offered help. I'll be in the same situation in a year, but no colleagues offered (un)solicited advice.
The first year you arrived, I reached out to you, took you for lunch, invited over for dinner. I always asked you how your papers were going? I have you unsolicited advice on what outlets you might have sent them. Warned you about journals with long delays, against only working with senior people or former advisors. Yet you never listened, so i gave up. Our vote was unanimous against your tenure case, and I slept well that night knowing that I did my best earlier on to point you in the right direction. You are a decent human being, but publications and professionalism is what matters for tenure. Good luck with your life.
I am not getting tenure, and my colleagues and I know it, but I still have one year on my tenure clock which I need to work on my pubs before I go on the market again. I am depressed and my colleagues treat me like I have a contagious disease. Be nice to me.
You sound like a douchebag.
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Warned you about journals with long delays, against only working with senior people or former advisors. Yet you never listened, so i gave up.
I had been strongly advised to work only with senior people if I need to get good publications. I totally disregarded this. But you should consider that certain schools imprint this dogma on their students.
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Don't let this temporary strain haunt you for the rest of your life. Assess what lessons you can learn from your current situation and then put all you efforts on moving on. Life is a bitch at times, but at the end of the day the hardships of the journey only hone us into better individuals. Good luck!
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I did exactly the same to recently minted APs we hired (those I liked at least). I offered them my own 'insider' view of what the department as a whole looks for when tenuring people. I told them about almost all previous tenure cases (including mine) and what some colleagues thought as negatives and others as positives. I even gave example of what kind of tenurable CV we are looking for, i.e. At least a single author top-field journal, co-authored work is fine if with other junior people (better if it is with one of our own Ph.D. students). Have at least X number of papers published, Y number of papers in such and such journals in R&R status, and this Z number of working papers by the time you're up for tenure. Get at least this XX% in your undergraduate teaching evaluation, and at least YY% in your graduate. Invite your editors/Associate Editors for a seminar, wine/dine them. Present at AEAs, Econometric Society, and regional reputable field conferences, etc.
You guys might be surprise how often junior people simply ignore advice. Perhaps 1 in 5 listened and I can call some colleagues and other were hired in better-ranked departments, the other 4 in 5 are not longer with us. One piece of advice: If somebody takes the time to reach out to you and bother to ask you "Hey Johnny, what's the status of your JMP?" in the first 3 months since you joined. This person cares and seek their advice.
The first year you arrived, I reached out to you, took you for lunch, invited over for dinner. I always asked you how your papers were going? I have you unsolicited advice on what outlets you might have sent them. Warned you about journals with long delays, against only working with senior people or former advisors. Yet you never listened, so i gave up. Our vote was unanimous against your tenure case, and I slept well that night knowing that I did my best earlier on to point you in the right direction. You are a decent human being, but publications and professionalism is what matters for tenure. Good luck with your life.
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I did exactly the same to recently minted APs we hired (those I liked at least). I offered them my own 'insider' view of what the department as a whole looks for when tenuring people. I told them about almost all previous tenure cases (including mine) and what some colleagues thought as negatives and others as positives. I even gave example of what kind of tenurable CV we are looking for, i.e. At least a single author top-field journal, co-authored work is fine if with other junior people (better if it is with one of our own Ph.D. students). Have at least X number of papers published, Y number of papers in such and such journals in R&R status, and this Z number of working papers by the time you're up for tenure. Get at least this XX% in your undergraduate teaching evaluation, and at least YY% in your graduate. Invite your editors/Associate Editors for a seminar, wine/dine them. Present at AEAs, Econometric Society, and regional reputable field conferences, etc.
You guys might be surprise how often junior people simply ignore advice. Perhaps 1 in 5 listened and I can call some colleagues and other were hired in better-ranked departments, the other 4 in 5 are not longer with us. One piece of advice: If somebody takes the time to reach out to you and bother to ask you "Hey Johnny, what's the status of your JMP?" in the first 3 months since you joined. This person cares and seek their advice.The first year you arrived, I reached out to you, took you for lunch, invited over for dinner. I always asked you how your papers were going? I have you unsolicited advice on what outlets you might have sent them. Warned you about journals with long delays, against only working with senior people or former advisors. Yet you never listened, so i gave up. Our vote was unanimous against your tenure case, and I slept well that night knowing that I did my best earlier on to point you in the right direction. You are a decent human being, but publications and professionalism is what matters for tenure. Good luck with your life.
nice sounding bs. It's the ability to produce good work
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The idea of denying someone tenure because they coauthor with senior people is laughable. The truth is, if the department wants to tenure you, they will find an argument for your case. If they don't want to tenure you, then you are f**ked no matter what.
- An Old timer
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It's OK OP. I'm a third year AP with already 5 pubs. I have two papers under review -- provided that one hits in the next 3 years, I'll get tenure, even if I produce nothing else in that time. But, b/c of this, I have nothing to work hard for. I wish I was in your shoes. Only if I was pushed would I know what I can accomplish.
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The idea of denying someone tenure because they coauthor with senior people is laughable. The truth is, if the department wants to tenure you, they will find an argument for your case. If they don't want to tenure you, then you are f**ked no matter what.
- An Old timerSo true