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• Thread: 291 Goods vs 209 No Goods

1. Economist
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   Yeah, some schools have a strong preference for DEI hire but there are plenty of schools who hire the best or cannot find a DEI candidate and have to hire the best.

   Let me put it this way, the candidates who will be impacted by DEI are the ones at the bottom.

   Hear me out.

   Say there are 100 job market candidates, of which 50 are URM, and 75 job openings.

   Say the top 50 schools are hiring. In an extreme version of DEI, all are taken by URM candidates. That leaves the next 50 schools for non DEI candidates.

   If you don't get a job out of these 50 schools, if means you were near the bottom of the non DEI candidates.

   10 months ago # QUOTE 8 Volod 72 Vlad !

2. Economist
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   ^ That leaves the next 25 schools for non DEI candidates.

   10 months ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

3. Economist
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   In your model, 50% URM out of 100 JMCs violates the definition of URM. Weak

   10 months ago # QUOTE 4 Volod 2 Vlad !

4. Economist
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   Are there seriously that many DEI candidates to begin with? And of those, almost all are women

   10 months ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

5. Economist
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   OP, you are either one of the best tr/olls I have ever seen, or need to leave academia right now.

   10 months ago # QUOTE 14 Volod 0 Vlad !

6. Economist
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   OP, I don't think that you understand how academic hiring works.

   10 months ago # QUOTE 6 Volod 0 Vlad !

7. Economist
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   OP, based on your post, you should leave academia.

   Of course, unless you belong to the DEI group

   10 months ago # QUOTE 9 Volod 1 Vlad !

8. Economist
   d344
   

   I failed last year. I righteously blame the COVID-19

   10 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 1 Vlad !

9. Economist
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   In your model, 50% URM out of 100 JMCs violates the definition of URM. Weak

   Obviously there are not that many. Was just trying to illustrate the mechanics with extreme case.

   10 months ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

10. Economist
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    Also notice that nobody is objecting the thought process.

    10 months ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 5 Vlad !

11. Economist
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    In your model, 50% URM out of 100 JMCs violates the definition of URM. Weak

    Obviously there are not that many. Was just trying to illustrate the mechanics with extreme case.

    OMG, OP, you were being serious. Wow. No words. Just, wow.

    10 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 1 Vlad !

12. Economist
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    Also notice that nobody is objecting the thought process.

    Because you basically undermined your own argument, dumba/ss. You gave an example in which:

    -Candidates who should be placed at 1-25 got placed at 51-75.
    -Candidates who should be placed at 26-50 got no jobs.

    How is this not an extreme case of misallocation of talent?

    10 months ago # QUOTE 26 Volod 0 Vlad !

13. Economist
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    In your model, 50% URM out of 100 JMCs violates the definition of URM. Weak

    Obviously there are not that many. Was just trying to illustrate the mechanics with extreme case.

    OMG, OP, you were being serious. Wow. No words. Just, wow.

    Try to use words to illustrate the fallacy

    10 months ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

14. Economist
    0a2b
    

    Also notice that nobody is objecting the thought process.

    Because you basically undermined your own argument, dumba/ss. You gave an example in which:
    -Candidates who should be placed at 1-25 got placed at 51-75.
    -Candidates who should be placed at 26-50 got no jobs.
    How is this not an extreme case of misallocation of talent?

    Okay I give you that. My point was a reaction to some posts claiming they didn't get a job because of DEI.

    I have been involved in hiring 11 positions at 2 schools and, other than the bias training from the administration office, there was no discussion of DEI. We simply hired the best.

    Obviously this is no a large sample stat but I feel like DEI hire crowding out nonDEI candidates is overblown out of proportion

    10 months ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 13 Vlad !

15. Economist
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    In your model, 50% URM out of 100 JMCs violates the definition of URM. Weak

    Obviously there are not that many. Was just trying to illustrate the mechanics with extreme case.

    OMG, OP, you were being serious. Wow. No words. Just, wow.

    Try to use words to illustrate the fallacy

    Fine. The optimal outcome is for the best 75 candidates to get the 75 available jobs. DEI intentionally thwarts that objective.

    QED

    10 months ago # QUOTE 6 Volod 0 Vlad !

16. Economist
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    well, for some schools, the within department divergence is mind blowing conditional on candidate profiles

    10 months ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

17. Economist
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    Also notice that nobody is objecting the thought process.

    Because you basically undermined your own argument, dumba/ss. You gave an example in which:
    -Candidates who should be placed at 1-25 got placed at 51-75.
    -Candidates who should be placed at 26-50 got no jobs.
    How is this not an extreme case of misallocation of talent?

    This. My advisor and I thought that I could get a tenure track job at a decent LRM. Now my only choice is consulting.

    10 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 1 Vlad !

18. Economist
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    I’m a first-generation, disabled, poverty class whyte male who made his way to the academic job market, and I’m being told a whyte female from a prep school with a family of professors is somehow more oppressed? Even though 60%+ of college grads are female?

    And we call this justice?

    10 months ago # QUOTE 24 Volod 2 Vlad !

19. Economist
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    Not sure what point you're trying to make. More competent candidates are jobless because less competent candidates are hired through DEI in your example as well as in reality. Just because the best candidates are still hired, it doesn't mean that this situation is okay. And it's not okay that the best candidates are getting worse jobs than they would get without DEI either.

    10 months ago # QUOTE 7 Volod 2 Vlad !

20. Economist
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    ^That it is.

    10 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

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