I think we should just ask old white male tenured faculty to voluntary resign rather than having very biased junior hiring
Don't attribute your JM failure to DEI
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This is completely bogus. Once again, written by a grad student that has no idea how Deans and departments interact—this type of thing would never happen because quotas are illegal. Also empirically there is no university with multiple offers that only hired women. You guys are just upset that women finally are being fairly treated by the profession rather than being actively discriminated against like they were in the past.
My university now is telling departments explicitly was race and gender we can and can’t hire. It went from we must give preferential treatment to women and black candidates to we must hire only from specific groups. One department was restricted to hiring from black and aboriginal candidates. The supply of them in this discipline is almost zero so if you were black and have a PhD in that field, even if there are 1000 better candidates, you were guaranteed a job.
My department has talked about this in faculty meetings, though we haven't received any new lines since I was hired, so don't know if it will succeed in practice. As someone else said above, academia is collapsing for a lot of reasons.
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This is completely bogus. Once again, written by a grad student that has no idea how Deans and departments interact—this type of thing would never happen because quotas are illegal. Also empirically there is no university with multiple offers that only hired women. You guys are just upset that women finally are being fairly treated by the profession rather than being actively discriminated against like they were in the past.
My university now is telling departments explicitly was race and gender we can and can’t hire. It went from we must give preferential treatment to women and black candidates to we must hire only from specific groups. One department was restricted to hiring from black and aboriginal candidates. The supply of them in this discipline is almost zero so if you were black and have a PhD in that field, even if there are 1000 better candidates, you were guaranteed a job.
hahahahaha no quota. I also sip kool aid from your wife's t1ts
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This is completely bogus. Once again, written by a grad student that has no idea how Deans and departments interact—this type of thing would never happen because quotas are illegal. Also empirically there is no university with multiple offers that only hired women. You guys are just upset that women finally are being fairly treated by the profession rather than being actively discriminated against like they were in the past.
My university now is telling departments explicitly was race and gender we can and can’t hire. It went from we must give preferential treatment to women and black candidates to we must hire only from specific groups. One department was restricted to hiring from black and aboriginal candidates. The supply of them in this discipline is almost zero so if you were black and have a PhD in that field, even if there are 1000 better candidates, you were guaranteed a job.
Yes, quotas are illegal. Yet I know of a series of faculty lines where the campus administration happily provided racial quotas for the lines, this at a public university in a state where affirmative action has been banned by referendum, where the racial quotas were given to the campus administration by the state legislature and governor. Because this is illegal in that state, everything was done verbally so that there was no paper trail that could be identified using FOIA requests.
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I’m a first-generation, disabled, poverty class whyte male who made his way to the academic job market, and I’m being told a whyte female from a prep school with a family of professors is somehow more oppressed? Even though 60%+ of college grads are female?
And we call this justice?This.
I am the first in my whole family who even got an undergraduate degree, let alone a PhD. The disadvantage relative to someone who has academic parents who know how things work is huge. I made a lot of bad mistakes that costed time and resources, which I could have easily avoided with some good advice. -
you think azn woman can't code or take derivatives.. have you seen how the Indian n chinese education system is? perhaps taking derivatives n coding is the only thing they know !! but man they would have to no this to survive in asia
Imagine can't code/take a derivative but got into top 15 phd. On top of that, get my pick of bbc. I would love to be a azn woman too.
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White woman here. I would never blame my own failures on others. I still don’t believe that a white woman or a white man cannot outperform an Asian in derivatives or coding, or any other quantitative skills. Because I’ve done it. We should be hired based on skills and performance.
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Also notice that nobody is objecting the thought process.
Because you basically undermined your own argument, dumba/ss. You gave an example in which:
-Candidates who should be placed at 1-25 got placed at 51-75.
-Candidates who should be placed at 26-50 got no jobs.
How is this not an extreme case of misallocation of talent?Okay I give you that. My point was a reaction to some posts claiming they didn't get a job because of DEI.
I have been involved in hiring 11 positions at 2 schools and, other than the bias training from the administration office, there was no discussion of DEI. We simply hired the best.
Obviously this is no a large sample stat but I feel like DEI hire crowding out nonDEI candidates is overblown out of proportionI agree with OP.
Don't argue with others who did not get a job. They only are be able to blame it.
Because they are unemployed. Unemployed people tend to be filled by angers.
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What does the best mean? I think the evaluation process might be flawed.
Also notice that nobody is objecting the thought process.
Because you basically undermined your own argument, dumba/ss. You gave an example in which:
-Candidates who should be placed at 1-25 got placed at 51-75.
-Candidates who should be placed at 26-50 got no jobs.
How is this not an extreme case of misallocation of talent?Okay I give you that. My point was a reaction to some posts claiming they didn't get a job because of DEI.
I have been involved in hiring 11 positions at 2 schools and, other than the bias training from the administration office, there was no discussion of DEI. We simply hired the best.
Obviously this is no a large sample stat but I feel like DEI hire crowding out nonDEI candidates is overblown out of proportionI agree with OP.
Don't argue with others who did not get a job. They only are be able to blame it.
Because they are unemployed. Unemployed people tend to be filled by angers.