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1. Economist
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   The only reason to believe that hiring more female economists is bad is because you think that, somehow, economics produced by female economists is inherently inferior to that produced by male economists. And that, my friends, is the very definition of sexism.

   Is that sexism? Let's compare the bodies of work.

   Don't bother with the trouble of comparing work.

   Sexism is not some evil force that we have to suppress at all costs. It is a biologically and socially ingrained tendency with significant reason to exist - namely that most women are not competitive intellects. The Marie Curies are rare and come around once every few centuries. Men always outperform women at the top end of the intellectual spectrum.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 5 Volod 2 Vlad !

2. Economist
   6a6d
   

   I am reading this at the moment: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/putting-monsterpaint-onjordan-peterson/550859/

   https://pressprogress.ca/university-of-toronto-professor-men-cant-control-crazy-women-because-men-cant-fight-them/

   Is that supposed to be a criticism of JBP? He nailed the root cause for institutions wrecking themselves with DEI: men cannot confront toxic women the way they confront toxic men. We just can’t. Just like we can’t scold/punish toddlers the way we do adult men.

   This is why you aren't supposed to feminize your most important institutions.

   Oh well. Too late.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 0 Vlad !

3. Economist
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   Guys, I am a woman and I just want to let you know that I totally agree with your points on men discrimination

   Hard to believe. Prove to us that you’re a woman.
   Describe your year in one sentence, in 10 to 20 words. We’ll infer.

   You know it is sexist simply to assume that all women think alike.
   Just as it is sexist to assume that hiring female candidates, or restricting the pool of candidates to females, for research and policy positions at the ECB somehow comes at the expense of merit. THAT can only happen if one believes that women are inherently inferior as economists, which is absurd.

   It most certainly cannot improve the quality of the staff, as you are optimizing over a subset of candidates. I totally support equal treatment of candidates, but favoring women against men goes against that. And what's next: the ECB staff should accurately represent the population of the euro area in terms of height? Skin color? Hair color? Eye color? How did we end up in a world where experience and knowledge compete with genetic traits to determine if a candidate is suitable for a position?

   1 year ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 1 Vlad !

4. Economist
   6a6d
   

   It most certainly cannot improve the quality of the staff, as you are optimizing over a subset of candidates. I totally support equal treatment of candidates, but favoring women against men goes against that. And what's next: the ECB staff should accurately represent the population of the euro area in terms of height? Skin color? Hair color? Eye color? How did we end up in a world where experience and knowledge compete with genetic traits to determine if a candidate is suitable for a position?

   You're wasting your breath arguing rationally with someone who thinks that women need special treatment. Why? Because to get ahead, women do need special treatment. Time and again they are proven to be inferior performers to men in every field, even cooking.

   It's not about merit or equality. It's about making accommodations.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 2 Vlad !

5. Economist
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   "or restricting the pool of candidates to females, for research and policy positions at the ECB somehow comes at the expense of merit."

   What kind of nonsense is this? Of course it does. If your selection criterion for a fixed number of positions depends on something that is not merit, then it necessarily comes at the expense of merit unless the two yield identical hiring decisions. Did you go to school? Elementary school even?

   1 year ago # QUOTE 4 Volod 1 Vlad !

6. Economist
   a77f
   

   It most certainly cannot improve the quality of the staff, as you are optimizing over a subset of candidates. I totally support equal treatment of candidates, but favoring women against men goes against that. And what's next: the ECB staff should accurately represent the population of the euro area in terms of height? Skin color? Hair color? Eye color? How did we end up in a world where experience and knowledge compete with genetic traits to determine if a candidate is suitable for a position?

   You're wasting your breath arguing rationally with someone who thinks that women need special treatment. Why? Because to get ahead, women do need special treatment. Time and again they are proven to be inferior performers to men in every field, even cooking.
   It's not about merit or equality. It's about making accommodations.

   I wouldn't go that far, there are lots of plausible potential mechanisms behind these patterns. If favoring women is a priority at the ECB, their HR should at least have the courage to state this openly. Then let the European Court rule if it's legal.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 5 Volod 2 Vlad !

7. Economist
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   It most certainly cannot improve the quality of the staff, as you are optimizing over a subset of candidates. I totally support equal treatment of candidates, but favoring women against men goes against that. And what's next: the ECB staff should accurately represent the population of the euro area in terms of height? Skin color? Hair color? Eye color? How did we end up in a world where experience and knowledge compete with genetic traits to determine if a candidate is suitable for a position?

   You're wasting your breath arguing rationally with someone who thinks that women need special treatment. Why? Because to get ahead, women do need special treatment. Time and again they are proven to be inferior performers to men in every field, even cooking.
   It's not about merit or equality. It's about making accommodations.

   I wouldn't go that far, there are lots of plausible potential mechanisms behind these patterns. If favoring women is a priority at the ECB, their HR should at least have the courage to state this openly. Then let the European Court rule if it's legal.

   Yes, that is the heart of the matter.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

8. Economist
   6a6d
   

   You're wasting your breath arguing rationally with someone who thinks that women need special treatment. Why? Because to get ahead, women do need special treatment. Time and again they are proven to be inferior performers to men in every field, even cooking.
   It's not about merit or equality. It's about making accommodations.

   I wouldn't go that far, there are lots of plausible potential mechanisms behind these patterns. If favoring women is a priority at the ECB, their HR should at least have the courage to state this openly. Then let the European Court rule if it's legal.

   Get real, man. The ECB isn't going to say to the whole world that it illegally discriminates in favor of women.

   The moment you start allowing for "plausible potential mechanisms" you open the door to the usual excuse: systemic sexism. And then you've ceded the ground to the HR social engineers who want to force 50-50 representation (or more than 50 representation for women).

   You're being too nice. Far, far too nice for your own good.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

9. Economist
   6a6d
   

   Yes, that is the heart of the matter.

   No, it isn't Turning this into a legal question does not even come close to the heart of the matter.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

10. Economist
    a77f
    

    You're wasting your breath arguing rationally with someone who thinks that women need special treatment. Why? Because to get ahead, women do need special treatment. Time and again they are proven to be inferior performers to men in every field, even cooking.
    It's not about merit or equality. It's about making accommodations.

    I wouldn't go that far, there are lots of plausible potential mechanisms behind these patterns. If favoring women is a priority at the ECB, their HR should at least have the courage to state this openly. Then let the European Court rule if it's legal.
    Get real, man. The ECB isn't going to say to the whole world that it illegally discriminates in favor of women.
    The moment you start allowing for "plausible potential mechanisms" you open the door to the usual excuse: systemic sexism. And then you've ceded the ground to the HR social engineers who want to force 50-50 representation (or more than 50 representation for women).
    You're being too nice. Far, far too nice for your own good.

    OK, then what do you suggest? There are at least two women at the top of the organization who clearly support these discriminative hiring practices, and they won't leave in the near future.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

11. Economist
    6a6d
    

    You're wasting your breath arguing rationally with someone who thinks that women need special treatment. Why? Because to get ahead, women do need special treatment. Time and again they are proven to be inferior performers to men in every field, even cooking.
    It's not about merit or equality. It's about making accommodations.

    I wouldn't go that far, there are lots of plausible potential mechanisms behind these patterns. If favoring women is a priority at the ECB, their HR should at least have the courage to state this openly. Then let the European Court rule if it's legal.
    Get real, man. The ECB isn't going to say to the whole world that it illegally discriminates in favor of women.
    The moment you start allowing for "plausible potential mechanisms" you open the door to the usual excuse: systemic sexism. And then you've ceded the ground to the HR social engineers who want to force 50-50 representation (or more than 50 representation for women).
    You're being too nice. Far, far too nice for your own good.

    OK, then what do you suggest? There are at least two women at the top of the organization who clearly support these discriminative hiring practices, and they won't leave in the near future.

    I don't have any suggestions except take the best paying job you can and mind your own business. The ECB is run by loonies. No way to change that.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

12. Economist
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    This is how countries and institutions slowly fail and die

    1 year ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 1 Vlad !

13. Economist
    51b1
    

    I'm not an author but I saw this paper that shows the positive effects of affirmative actions: TRICKLE-DOWN EFFECTS OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION: A CASE STUDY IN FRANCE.

    Abstract: We study chess, an activity where we have access to the universe of participants, a universal and quite accurate measure of performance ability, and where an affirmative action quota has been implemented on the elite level, the French club championship, several decades ago. We find that on the club championship level women perform better over time, to a degree that they outperform more and more men. Furthermore, the quota effects trickle-down on the national level with female players becoming more prevalent, especially at the non-youth level. Both, the increase in representation, as well as the performance gains of female players in France are not due to time trends, since they are not reflected in other EU15 countries. Finally, the gains of women do not appear to come at the cost of men. We end with a discussion on how the findings in chess can apply to other environments.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

14. Economist
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    i’m sorry. i don’t feel sorry for white male Italians. they have been grossly over represented at places like the IMF and ECB for years and have benefited from massively successful nepotism in the past.

    100% true coming from someone who worked in those institutions before

    1 year ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 1 Vlad !

15. Economist
    64e8
    

    The Italian mafia network is the most cliquey in the EU institutions. Once you get an Italian in, in a few years, half the department will be Italians. The Turkish cabal cannot come close.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 1 Vlad !

16. Economist
    19c4
    

    Italians are overrepresented because (1) italian universities produce more graduates than the Italian economy can absorb and (2) the relative salary is way more attractive for italians relative to germans, dutch, etc, who can find equally well paid job in the private sector in their countries.
    You don't need to bring up your racist stereotypes.

    The Italian mafia network is the most cliquey in the EU institutions. Once you get an Italian in, in a few years, half the department will be Italians. The Turkish cabal cannot come close.

    Italians are overrepresented because (1) italian universities produce more graduates than the Italian economy can absorb and (2) the relative salary is way more attractive for italians relative to germans, dutch, etc, who can find equally well paid job in the private sector in their countries.
    You don't need to bring up your racist stereotypes.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 3 Vlad !

17. Economist
    64e8
    

    Italians are overrepresented because (1) italian universities produce more graduates than the Italian economy can absorb and (2) the relative salary is way more attractive for italians relative to germans, dutch, etc, who can find equally well paid job in the private sector in their countries.
    You don't need to bring up your racist stereotypes.

    The Italian mafia network is the most cliquey in the EU institutions. Once you get an Italian in, in a few years, half the department will be Italians. The Turkish cabal cannot come close.

    Italians are overrepresented because (1) italian universities produce more graduates than the Italian economy can absorb and (2) the relative salary is way more attractive for italians relative to germans, dutch, etc, who can find equally well paid job in the private sector in their countries.
    You don't need to bring up your racist stereotypes.

    Hello, Italybro. You don't need to find excuses for your countrymen's mafia network. What I have described is an empirical phenomenon and everyone else in the EU know of this reputation Italians have.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 3 Vlad !

18. Economist
    19c4
    

    "reputation". These are steretypes. One would expect an economist to be able to see supply and demand as the determinant of market outcomes. But no, hey, it's their "reputation". Stop polluting this thread.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 2 Vlad !

19. Economist
    64e8
    

    "reputation". These are steretypes. One would expect an economist to be able to see supply and demand as the determinant of market outcomes. But no, hey, it's their "reputation". Stop polluting this thread.

    You can argue whichever way you want. You can call me racist, you can say that stereotypes should not exist. You can criticize me and convince yourself I am not an economist. You can downvote all you want on your phone and computer.

    But it does not change the truth. Anyone in an academic department or EU financial institution with Italian colleagues will know exactly what I am talking about.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 4 Vlad !

20. Economist
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    "reputation". These are steretypes. One would expect an economist to be able to see supply and demand as the determinant of market outcomes. But no, hey, it's their "reputation". Stop polluting this thread.

    You can argue whichever way you want. You can call me racist, you can say that stereotypes should not exist. You can criticize me and convince yourself I am not an economist. You can downvote all you want on your phone and computer.
    But it does not change the truth. Anyone in an academic department or EU financial institution with Italian colleagues will know exactly what I am talking about.

    Sure

    1 year ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 1 Vlad !

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