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1. Economist
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   Ameribro here. In the ideal world it seems like a reasonable approach: send your kids to get UG degree in your home country (save tuition money, may be even get better education etc) and then they can apply to a PhD in the US, if they want to. It's hard to get to US job market with European PhD. But to get into US PhD with a European degree so no harm done.

   But the reality is, if your kid grew up in the US they are American. And they can be fluent in, say, German. But they will still be lacking all the references, cultural fluency, experience of going through German high schools etc. Imho they will be outcasts unless they are some uber-social Chads. Given that, not sure they'll want to do or it's worth do it. This is imho, of course, since I don't have to deal with this issue myself.

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2. Economist
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   Just to make it clear. We were not making fun of Brown or Northwestern. Quite the contrary we were making fun of Europeans who do not know those schools, which are better than any place in Europe.

   Yes, in Europe many people think that they receive education equivalent to that obtained at Harvard by attending University of Insbruck.

   I'm addressing the highfalutin eurobros in this thread claiming European education is superior to US and characterizing it as nothing more than dressed-up networking and a "campus experience" filled with students who are oh-so-less-knowledgeable than the high and mighty Europeans. People in this thread saying a degree from Brown or Northwestern is virtually useless? Ha!
   Look at results and output and wages. And follow the footsteps. US undergrad continues to be highly sought after because America continues to be the most desirable job market, especially for STEM. And yes, networking factors into that. And "knowledge"? You're really gonna sit there and try to convince me I can learn better computer science at Heidelberg U than, oh, IDK, any of the top 40 US universities?
   I am not claiming America is superior in every aspect. It's clear the country has a lot of problems to work on. But saying that European education is sooo much better is not true and frankly will get you laughed out the door in most other parts of the world.

   Look I agree, top US schools attract more top talent and produce better researchers, but I am still not convinced the education itself is better. If I had studied in US instead of Europe, how would my education have been better?
   

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3. Economist
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   Typical US arrogance. The point is that an education at a place like Oxford or ETH is as good if not better than a place like Harvard.. That doesn’t seem unreasonable, given their relative placement in university rankings (which of course vary subject by subject). The top European places also attract lots of individuals from overseas (LSE is 70% international students for example). In addition, the schools cost less and you get in general a much higher standard of living, Also, if you think the research quality is only good in the US, say that as you’re getting your Covid vaccine

   Just to make it clear. We were not making fun of Brown or Northwestern. Quite the contrary we were making fun of Europeans who do not know those schools, which are better than any place in Europe.
   Yes, in Europe many people think that they receive education equivalent to that obtained at Harvard by attending University of Insbruck.

   I'm addressing the highfalutin eurobros in this thread claiming European education is superior to US and characterizing it as nothing more than dressed-up networking and a "campus experience" filled with students who are oh-so-less-knowledgeable than the high and mighty Europeans. People in this thread saying a degree from Brown or Northwestern is virtually useless? Ha!
   Look at results and output and wages. And follow the footsteps. US undergrad continues to be highly sought after because America continues to be the most desirable job market, especially for STEM. And yes, networking factors into that. And "knowledge"? You're really gonna sit there and try to convince me I can learn better computer science at Heidelberg U than, oh, IDK, any of the top 40 US universities?
   I am not claiming America is superior in every aspect. It's clear the country has a lot of problems to work on. But saying that European education is sooo much better is not true and frankly will get you laughed out the door in most other parts of the world.

   Look I agree, top US schools attract more top talent and produce better researchers, but I am still not convinced the education itself is better. If I had studied in US instead of Europe, how would my education have been better?
   

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4. Economist
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   Yuropstanian doing HRM postdoc in US: landing a job at an R1 or slightly below is a dream, the EU has nothing that compares to this, except maybe a handful of places.

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5. Economist
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   Typical US arrogance? I'm sorry, did you not read the entire previous thread filled with Eurobros patting themselves on the back for their superior educations? Please.

   And sure, try to convince absolutely anyone else in the world that Oxford or ETH "is as good if not better" than Harvard. You've gotta at least be realistic.

   Typical US arrogance. The point is that an education at a place like Oxford or ETH is as good if not better than a place like Harvard.. That doesn’t seem unreasonable, given their relative placement in university rankings (which of course vary subject by subject). The top European places also attract lots of individuals from overseas (LSE is 70% international students for example). In addition, the schools cost less and you get in general a much higher standard of living, Also, if you think the research quality is only good in the US, say that as you’re getting your Covid vaccine

   Just to make it clear. We were not making fun of Brown or Northwestern. Quite the contrary we were making fun of Europeans who do not know those schools, which are better than any place in Europe.
   Yes, in Europe many people think that they receive education equivalent to that obtained at Harvard by attending University of Insbruck.

   I'm addressing the highfalutin eurobros in this thread claiming European education is superior to US and characterizing it as nothing more than dressed-up networking and a "campus experience" filled with students who are oh-so-less-knowledgeable than the high and mighty Europeans. People in this thread saying a degree from Brown or Northwestern is virtually useless? Ha!
   Look at results and output and wages. And follow the footsteps. US undergrad continues to be highly sought after because America continues to be the most desirable job market, especially for STEM. And yes, networking factors into that. And "knowledge"? You're really gonna sit there and try to convince me I can learn better computer science at Heidelberg U than, oh, IDK, any of the top 40 US universities?
   I am not claiming America is superior in every aspect. It's clear the country has a lot of problems to work on. But saying that European education is sooo much better is not true and frankly will get you laughed out the door in most other parts of the world.

   Look I agree, top US schools attract more top talent and produce better researchers, but I am still not convinced the education itself is better. If I had studied in US instead of Europe, how would my education have been better?

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6. Economist
   0229
   

   Let me repeat it one more time. Send your kid to ETH over Harvard. By the way Oxford is not Europe.

   On a different note. Has it ever happened that a top ENS student stayed at ENS or Paris School for her PhD.?

   Typical US arrogance. The point is that an education at a place like Oxford or ETH is as good if not better than a place like Harvard.. That doesn’t seem unreasonable, given their relative placement in university rankings (which of course vary subject by subject). The top European places also attract lots of individuals from overseas (LSE is 70% international students for example). In addition, the schools cost less and you get in general a much higher standard of living, Also, if you think the research quality is only good in the US, say that as you’re getting your Covid vaccine

   Just to make it clear. We were not making fun of Brown or Northwestern. Quite the contrary we were making fun of Europeans who do not know those schools, which are better than any place in Europe.
   Yes, in Europe many people think that they receive education equivalent to that obtained at Harvard by attending University of Insbruck.

   I'm addressing the highfalutin eurobros in this thread claiming European education is superior to US and characterizing it as nothing more than dressed-up networking and a "campus experience" filled with students who are oh-so-less-knowledgeable than the high and mighty Europeans. People in this thread saying a degree from Brown or Northwestern is virtually useless? Ha!
   Look at results and output and wages. And follow the footsteps. US undergrad continues to be highly sought after because America continues to be the most desirable job market, especially for STEM. And yes, networking factors into that. And "knowledge"? You're really gonna sit there and try to convince me I can learn better computer science at Heidelberg U than, oh, IDK, any of the top 40 US universities?
   I am not claiming America is superior in every aspect. It's clear the country has a lot of problems to work on. But saying that European education is sooo much better is not true and frankly will get you laughed out the door in most other parts of the world.

   Look I agree, top US schools attract more top talent and produce better researchers, but I am still not convinced the education itself is better. If I had studied in US instead of Europe, how would my education have been better?

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