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Economist
39c2

With respect to politics threads everything is about tone. I do not spend more than 10 seconds looking at thread and will delete simply based on title and first few posts. If the first few posts look like someone its written by someone who has sat through a graduate economics course it is deleted. The point of deletion is to prevent this place for being a venue for those who do not know what hotelling's lemma. It is not a left/right thing. I do not care and do not spend my spare time reading and mulling every post.
Too many conservative threads are started "Libs***" or look at how dumb xyz point of view. If you want to discuss a topic do it in a fashion that makes you look like you have at least a masters degree in our discipline not like your angry and foaming at mouth or copying pasting fox news headlines.

You sound absolutely unhinged. I have started some of these threads with jokes about "libs**ts" and no economic content and I can absolutely assure you that I have a doctoral education in this discipline and have contributed to a larger amount of high quality academic-econ advice than probably the vast majority of this board. There is no way you can assess that on the basis of random things we talk to each other about in selective threads. I'm not saying that there isn't a possibility that people without econ degrees are posting here, but evaluating that on the basis of POLITICS posts is ridiculous. Furthermore, there are plenty of econ discussions where it's clear that a vast majority of the participants are clueless undergrads, or even non-econ students. Yet few of those are ever deleted.

To be plain, it's absolutely clear to me that some users that became mods in 2015 are highly sensitive about political issues and are trying to disguise their rationale - perhaps even to themselves - as some kind of "econ vs non-econ" thing. It's not. Economists are a discipline where you are MOST likely to find people with some strong antipathy towards left-wing politics, despite being center-left themselves. This is a unique feature of our discipline, and you're modding it out by pretending it comes from lawtards who are generally the most PC people on the planet.

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Economist
39c2

Most of us have better things to do. Its hard to not look like your having an agenda if there are 10 conservative threads for everyone liberal thread. Kirk has said we can crack down. I intend to crack down. I do not spend time mulling over it. Yes legitimate threads get deleted in process. The thing is so what. This sites you can go delete politics. However, is ultimately the only site for discussing academic economic job market and that season unfortunately isn't over. I still have classmates who are in late flyouts on the secondary market.
That being said if you think a legitimate thread go contest it. Rather than presuming mods have a secret agenda. My agenda is not secret. I am just simply going to make this site not worth coming to for autoadmit trolls, undergrads, high school students.

Again, this s**t is none of your business. In the 3-4 years I've interacted with Kirk on this board, his principle has always been clear: light touch if you're not looking for trouble. There are CLEARLY politics trolls who are looking for trouble, and they are almost always modded out immediately. What you're stating here however is an immense over-reach in your power to arbitrarily limit this forum to discussions that you find valuable in an attempt to drive away other posters. That's insane.

I'm one of the first people who suggested discouraging politics discussions on this forum, and I stand behind that position. But what you're doing is completely different, it's censorship.

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Economist
9663

kaPOW!!!

Most of us have better things to do. Its hard to not look like your having an agenda if there are 10 conservative threads for everyone liberal thread. Kirk has said we can crack down. I intend to crack down. I do not spend time mulling over it. Yes legitimate threads get deleted in process. The thing is so what. This sites you can go delete politics. However, is ultimately the only site for discussing academic economic job market and that season unfortunately isn't over. I still have classmates who are in late flyouts on the secondary market.
That being said if you think a legitimate thread go contest it. Rather than presuming mods have a secret agenda. My agenda is not secret. I am just simply going to make this site not worth coming to for autoadmit trolls, undergrads, high school students.

Again, this s**t is none of your business. In the 3-4 years I've interacted with Kirk on this board, his principle has always been clear: light touch if you're not looking for trouble. There are CLEARLY politics trolls who are looking for trouble, and they are almost always modded out immediately. What you're stating here however is an immense over-reach in your power to arbitrarily limit this forum to discussions that you find valuable in an attempt to drive away other posters. That's insane.
I'm one of the first people who suggested discouraging politics discussions on this forum, and I stand behind that position. But what you're doing is completely different, it's censorship.

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Economist
12bf

^ in that case you remember the sustained assault this board came under for the longest time from obsessives posting, e.g., 20 Obamacare threads an hour. And you also remember that a few weeks ago, this kind of magetrolling started happening again. Don't blame mods, blame the high-volume megatrolls.

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Economist
39c2

^ in that case you remember the sustained assault this board came under for the longest time from obsessives posting, e.g., 20 Obamacare threads an hour.

I think the problem here is the distraction caused by the sheer quantity more than anything else. Which I proposed a solution to a long time ago - have one megathread for each major political topic, and force people to post to those threads when they're remarking on major news events, instead of starting duplicate threads about them.

But if that's not implemented, then you can't blame people for starting individual threads when they have some opinion. Also consider the possibility that there are sometimes genuinely multiple posters sharing very similar opinions, and they might not have seen each other's threads, so what seems to you like intentional spamming is possibly just a bad coincidence. Kirk's policy has always been to give posters the benefit of the doubt.

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Economist
12bf

^ I've noticed mods have been doing this for a while, starting "official" threads on topics like Baltimore and Ferguson

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Economist
39c2

^ I've noticed mods have been doing this for a while, starting "official" threads on topics like Baltimore and Ferguson

Yep, noticed that too, and it's immensely helpful. It would be even better to have official threads for not just current events, but all politics and policy discussions in general.

Some kind of merge-thread function could help achieve this.

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Economist
c02f

Meh, Kirk had a thread saying CMT and CML (?) threads would be deleted. If you have a problem with this, go somewhere else. I'm sick of all this nonsense.

Again, this s**t is none of your business. In the 3-4 years I've interacted with Kirk on this board, his principle has always been clear: light touch if you're not looking for trouble. There are CLEARLY politics trolls who are looking for trouble, and they are almost always modded out immediately. What you're stating here however is an immense over-reach in your power to arbitrarily limit this forum to discussions that you find valuable in an attempt to drive away other posters. That's insane.

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Economist
b20c

<blockqoute>Meh, Kirk had a thread saying CMT and CML (?) threads would be deleted. If you have a problem with this, go somewhere else. I'm sick of all this nonsense.
Bingo. I have never deleted a political thread before that decision was made. Or acted outside of the policy. I simply don't spend hours thinking about whether my deletions or correct if the post was in grey area. If its something the site

I'm one of the first people who suggested discouraging politics discussions on this forum, and I stand behind that position. But what you're doing is completely different, it's censorship.

No its not. Deleted threads can be contested and if they have merit they are restored. They often are. You misunderstand my view point. I also have been here 4 years and in my opinion well moderated EJMR is boring to the non-economics crowd. Vast majority of the posts that get 10+ goods, or equivalent are generally threads economists care about.

Most of the non-economist trolling in my opinion falls under the following, :

- Posts that are obviously attempting to derail or lower the quality of a serious economics discussion
- Content that is too sexually explicit, especially if not marked NSFW
- Blatant racism, homophobia and sexism. Race and gender issues can be discussed, but threads that aim to bait or provoke will be deleted.
- Duplication or no added value to a recently active post
- Threads with all capital letters in the title
- Copyright infringement
- Complaints about moderation, these should be kept to this thread or emailed to me
- Spamming the board. If you are spamming over multiple threads to get your point across it is likely that all of your threads will be deleted. If possible we will try and funnel the discussion into one thread but there is no guarantee.

- Very low quality off topic content
- Aggressive attacks on registered users
- Excessive meme pushing
- Over the top/excessive libtard vs reptile attacks
- Over the top/excessive religious discussions

As I said tone matters. Over the top-reptile-libtard attacks, race baiting, homophobia, and sexist posts are against the moderation policy. I hate to say it more often than not they come from the threads that say "hey libsh*t". We haven't had threads that say reptiles in a while.

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Economist
7edd

"Over the top-reptile-libtard attacks, race baiting, homophobia, and sexist posts are against the moderation policy." So pomo crap is all good.

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Economist
7edd

Wow, she's really butthurted about the Conservative's big win.

Hours after the Conservatives were re-elected, the government looked at cutting access to work schemes for the disabled. You’d think they’d at least have the decency to bring some flowers before shafting the vulnerable, but no. Not these guys. Not today. Today is not yesterday. Today, David Cameron does not just have the political will to slash welfare and widen the wealth gap: he has a mandate.

I have spent much of the past 48 hours lying in bed staring at the ceiling, reading despairing, four-letter posts on social media and trying to work out how on earth this happened, as if anyone with half a brain doesn’t know. The political elites closed ranks and capitulated to a politics of fear, first in Scotland, and then across the nation.

The muddled, equivocating voice of what was once the party of the left could not compete with the merciless message of austerity telling us we got what’s coming to us. We know what that is. More cuts to public services. More inequality. More lies. More of the old Cameron doctrine with no pratting about pretending we’re all in it together. The same great taste, now with zero liberals.

http://laurie-penny.com/dont-give-in-an-angry-population-is-hard-to-govern-a-depressed-population-is-easy/

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Economist
0ca8

With respect to politics threads everything is about tone. I do not spend more than 10 seconds looking at thread and will delete simply based on title and first few posts. If the first few posts look like someone its written by someone who has sat through a graduate economics course it is deleted. The point of deletion is to prevent this place for being a venue for those who do not know what hotelling's lemma. It is not a left/right thing. I do not care and do not spend my spare time reading and mulling every post.
Too many conservative threads are started "Libs***" or look at how dumb xyz point of view. If you want to discuss a topic do it in a fashion that makes you look like you have at least a masters degree in our discipline not like your angry and foaming at mouth or copying pasting fox news headlines.

You sound absolutely unhinged. I have started some of these threads with jokes about "libs**ts" and no economic content and I can absolutely assure you that I have a doctoral education in this discipline and have contributed to a larger amount of high quality academic-econ advice than probably the vast majority of this board. There is no way you can assess that on the basis of random things we talk to each other about in selective threads. I'm not saying that there isn't a possibility that people without econ degrees are posting here, but evaluating that on the basis of POLITICS posts is ridiculous. Furthermore, there are plenty of econ discussions where it's clear that a vast majority of the participants are clueless undergrads, or even non-econ students. Yet few of those are ever deleted.
To be plain, it's absolutely clear to me that some users that became mods in 2015 are highly sensitive about political issues and are trying to disguise their rationale - perhaps even to themselves - as some kind of "econ vs non-econ" thing. It's not. Economists are a discipline where you are MOST likely to find people with some strong antipathy towards left-wing politics, despite being center-left themselves. This is a unique feature of our discipline, and you're modding it out by pretending it comes from lawtards who are generally the most PC people on the planet.

F*CKING PWNED!!

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Economist
bfc6

Fatality

Most of us have better things to do. Its hard to not look like your having an agenda if there are 10 conservative threads for everyone liberal thread. Kirk has said we can crack down. I intend to crack down. I do not spend time mulling over it. Yes legitimate threads get deleted in process. The thing is so what. This sites you can go delete politics. However, is ultimately the only site for discussing academic economic job market and that season unfortunately isn't over. I still have classmates who are in late flyouts on the secondary market.
That being said if you think a legitimate thread go contest it. Rather than presuming mods have a secret agenda. My agenda is not secret. I am just simply going to make this site not worth coming to for autoadmit trolls, undergrads, high school students.

Again, this s**t is none of your business. In the 3-4 years I've interacted with Kirk on this board, his principle has always been clear: light touch if you're not looking for trouble. There are CLEARLY politics trolls who are looking for trouble, and they are almost always modded out immediately. What you're stating here however is an immense over-reach in your power to arbitrarily limit this forum to discussions that you find valuable in an attempt to drive away other posters. That's insane.
I'm one of the first people who suggested discouraging politics discussions on this forum, and I stand behind that position. But what you're doing is completely different, it's censorship.

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Economist
87f6

Mental. Illness.

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Economist
c02f

While I agree with most this, I disagree with your earlier claims that
the mods are overreaching and not acting the way Kirk intends. I just wish they were even more aggressive with CMT/MRA rants (like you said, there's very little spam from the other side)

Also, calling mods 'unhinged' is CMT-speak.

No its not. Deleted threads can be contested and if they have merit they are restored. They often are. You misunderstand my view point. I also have been here 4 years and in my opinion well moderated EJMR is boring to the non-economics crowd. Vast majority of the posts that get 10+ goods, or equivalent are generally threads economists care about.
Most of the non-economist trolling in my opinion falls under the following, :

- Posts that are obviously attempting to derail or lower the quality of a serious economics discussion
- Content that is too sexually explicit, especially if not marked NSFW
- Blatant racism, homophobia and sexism. Race and gender issues can be discussed, but threads that aim to bait or provoke will be deleted.
- Duplication or no added value to a recently active post
- Threads with all capital letters in the title
- Copyright infringement
- Complaints about moderation, these should be kept to this thread or emailed to me
- Spamming the board. If you are spamming over multiple threads to get your point across it is likely that all of your threads will be deleted. If possible we will try and funnel the discussion into one thread but there is no guarantee.
- Very low quality off topic content
- Aggressive attacks on registered users
- Excessive meme pushing
- Over the top/excessive libtard vs reptile attacks
- Over the top/excessive religious discussions
As I said tone matters. Over the top-reptile-libtard attacks, race baiting, homophobia, and sexist posts are against the moderation policy. I hate to say it more often than not they come from the threads that say "hey libsh*t". We haven't had threads that say reptiles in a while.

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Economist
9d76

Most of us have better things to do. Its hard to not look like your having an agenda if there are 10 conservative threads for everyone liberal thread. Kirk has said we can crack down. I intend to crack down. I do not spend time mulling over it. Yes legitimate threads get deleted in process. The thing is so what. This sites you can go delete politics. However, is ultimately the only site for discussing academic economic job market and that season unfortunately isn't over. I still have classmates who are in late flyouts on the secondary market.
That being said if you think a legitimate thread go contest it. Rather than presuming mods have a secret agenda. My agenda is not secret. I am just simply going to make this site not worth coming to for autoadmit trolls, undergrads, high school students.

If you don't have the time to do a proper job as a mod, don't be one. Or at least make sure that you actually read the threads you delete, rather than deleting without reading.

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Economist
39c2

^This. I don't think you realize how careful the veteran mods were. Even if their deletions were controversial, it was always clear that they read the threads and were prepared to defend their deletions. If you're not prepared to do that, you should give up your mod powers.

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Economist
0086

^ mod here. Agree.

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Economist
97ed

This feminist has a reel of her own on Youtube affectionately titled "Socialist f**kwit Laurie Penny's insane ramblings".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt4yNdtrq2A

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Economist
74d3

This is the kind of stuff she's been posting since the election results:

"Some people have reached out saying they are suicidal/ in crisis. PLEASE call the Samaritans- http://www.samaritans.org/- even if you feel silly."

"A few people are reaching out with their own depression experiences right now. Thank you for sharing, you're so brave. It WILL get better."

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