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Gender bias in the profession

Economist
d153

There is massive gender bias in the profession:

1) I know of now many departments -including my own - in which we are told we cannot hire male. We can only hire women.

2) please check the cvs of ERC grant recipients in Europe. You will see for yourself the extent of bias there. I am not aware of similar data for NSF but I am told by colleagues who have reviewed the situation is even worse.

3) I have seen conferences enforcing 50/50 acceptance despite submissions that were closer to 80/20.

4) I have had one editor of a very good (not top5, but top10 journal) telling me that HE explicitly tries to publish more papers written by women as his field is very male dominated.

Please share other examples.

6 months ago # QUOTE 57 Jab 2 No Jab !
Economist
fbe1

And why might those submissions be 80/20 in the first place? Perhaps in part reflecting something going on in the past that led to imbalance now?

6 months ago # QUOTE 15 Jab 55 No Jab !
Economist
d153

Would you expect 50/50 ballet dancer, dentists, rubbish collectors, care home nurses, nail parlours, miners, prisons inmates, etc. If your answer is no to any of the above groups, it means that groups have different RELATIVE advantages and will sort into sectors.

And suppose your answer is yes to all of the above. What is the argument for why creating opposite biases in one sector would correct for (supposedly)iinefficient sorting that is due to factors that happen way before the job?

6 months ago # QUOTE 54 Jab 0 No Jab !
Economist
91b6

Why waste time trying to persuade those who would not be persuaded?

Work to destroy the lives of those who impose or promote quotas.

6 months ago # QUOTE 35 Jab 0 No Jab !
Economist
91b6

Would you expect 50/50 ballet dancer, dentists, rubbish collectors, care home nurses, nail parlours, miners, prisons inmates, etc. If your answer is no to any of the above groups, it means that groups have different RELATIVE advantages and will sort into sectors.
And suppose your answer is yes to all of the above. What is the argument for why creating opposite biases in one sector would correct for (supposedly)iinefficient sorting that is due to factors that happen way before the job?

Don't try to reason with your oppressor.

Instead, just work to destroy them.

6 months ago # QUOTE 26 Jab 1 No Jab !
Economist
bf3c

The truth is only 2-3 researchers matter.

The rest are anyway just placeholders.

Hence for fun they can be replaced by just about anyone even animals.

It doesn’t matter.

6 months ago # QUOTE 16 Jab 3 No Jab !
Economist
bf3c

I would say we are not far from the day when people will say even animals need their reservations.

6 months ago # QUOTE 0 Jab 0 No Jab !
Economist
1759

https://www.econjobrumors.com/topic/blatant-anti-male-discrimination-in-hiring-at-the-world-bank

6 months ago # QUOTE 6 Jab 0 No Jab !
Economist
d153

The truth is only 2-3 researchers matter.
The rest are anyway just placeholders.
Hence for fun they can be replaced by just about anyone even animals.
It doesn’t matter.

I know you are not serious but, for the records, nothing is further from the truth. The discipline is a dialogue and we all participate. It is a fiction supported by rents and power that suggests the distribution of influence is so skewed and concentrated. This is something that happens only in econ.

6 months ago # QUOTE 7 Jab 0 No Jab !
Economist
110b

Would you expect 50/50 ballet dancer, dentists, rubbish collectors, care home nurses, nail parlours, miners, prisons inmates, etc. If your answer is no to any of the above groups, it means that groups have different RELATIVE advantages and will sort into sectors.
And suppose your answer is yes to all of the above. What is the argument for why creating opposite biases in one sector would correct for (supposedly)iinefficient sorting that is due to factors that happen way before the job?

YES, I would, and you should, unless you are sexisto!

6 months ago # QUOTE 0 Jab 1 No Jab !
Economist
d840

York University has posted female-only jobs for the last two years (AP last year, Associate this year).

6 months ago # QUOTE 4 Jab 0 No Jab !
Economist
88a0

Dialogue is for women.

Men command and legislate.

Economics is scientifically speaking a profession for women.

The truth is only 2-3 researchers matter.
The rest are anyway just placeholders.
Hence for fun they can be replaced by just about anyone even animals.
It doesn’t matter.

I know you are not serious but, for the records, nothing is further from the truth. The discipline is a dialogue and we all participate. It is a fiction supported by rents and power that suggests the distribution of influence is so skewed and concentrated. This is something that happens only in econ.

6 months ago # QUOTE 1 Jab 1 No Jab !
Economist
d153

https://www.econjobrumors.com/topic/blatant-anti-male-discrimination-in-hiring-at-the-world-bank

I had missed this. Incredible.

6 months ago # QUOTE 0 Jab 0 No Jab !
Economist
1759

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016517651200362X

Anonymous job applications of fresh Ph.D. economists

To identify whether anonymous job applications have different effects on certain groups, we add interaction terms between treatment status and socio-demographic characteristics in column (4). Whereas the coefficient estimate on the interaction term between anonymous applications and female is significantly negative, the coefficient estimate for female becomes significantly positive. This indicates that (a) with standard applications, female applicants are more likely to receive an interview invitation relative to male applicants, and that (b) this relative advantage disappears with anonymous job applications. One possible explanation is that female candidates are generally favored in the hiring process at this institution, but such behavior is not possible when gender is unknown.

6 months ago # QUOTE 12 Jab 0 No Jab !
Economist
b05e

Academic economics is fjecked. Even before extreme w0kenism, it was a clubby, self-referential, detached from reality discipline and rat race. 90% of what is published is either useless or wrong, or both.

I'm sorry to say this because Econ (as a discipline) is important, and even in Academia there is still something done that is worth it, and there are still good individuals. But it has to be said, the situation overall is bad and w0kenism will make it much worse.

When we read in EJMR that there is someone working his a$$ off to try to enroll in a euro master program, with the aim of being admitted later in a US PhD program, graduating in 2030.... I hope that they did their research and are 100% convinced of what they are doing.

6 months ago # QUOTE 10 Jab 0 No Jab !
Economist
b05e

Academic economics is fjecked. Even before extreme w0kenism, it was a clubby, self-referential, detached from reality discipline and rat race. 90% of what is published is either useless or wrong, or both.
I'm sorry to say this because Econ (as a discipline) is important, and even in Academia there is still something done that is worth it, and there are still good individuals. But it has to be said, the situation overall is bad and w0kenism will make it much worse.
When we read in EJMR that there is someone working his a$$ off to try to enroll in a euro master program, with the aim of being admitted later in a US PhD program, graduating in 2030.... I hope that they did their research and are 100% convinced of what they are doing.

..... and I also hope that the Euro departments will stop to ive a fjeck about the US journal rankings (they were already clubby and self-referential, and now they'll turn into w0kenomics) and try to disengage themselves from the downfall.

6 months ago # QUOTE 0 Jab 0 No Jab !
Economist
05e8

I can imagine the papers you write...

And why might those submissions be 80/20 in the first place? Perhaps in part reflecting something going on in the past that led to imbalance now?

6 months ago # QUOTE 7 Jab 0 No Jab !
Economist
fec1

100% papers are useless.

Just at the US economy and the stock market.

It is all one meaningless mania and it is time to admit maybe the truth is

No one knows anything.

Academic economics is fjecked. Even before extreme w0kenism, it was a clubby, self-referential, detached from reality discipline and rat race. 90% of what is published is either useless or wrong, or both.
I'm sorry to say this because Econ (as a discipline) is important, and even in Academia there is still something done that is worth it, and there are still good individuals. But it has to be said, the situation overall is bad and w0kenism will make it much worse.
When we read in EJMR that there is someone working his a$$ off to try to enroll in a euro master program, with the aim of being admitted later in a US PhD program, graduating in 2030.... I hope that they did their research and are 100% convinced of what they are doing.

6 months ago # QUOTE 0 Jab 5 No Jab !
Economist
883b

And why might those submissions be 80/20 in the first place? Perhaps in part reflecting something going on in the past that led to imbalance now?

Why is academic hiring the place to correct "something going on"? What makes you imply that the "something going on" was even harmful.

6 months ago # QUOTE 9 Jab 0 No Jab !
Economist
8e87

Adivsors at top 5 explicitly telling perspective job market candidates "well if you were a woman you'd get a top 10 job, but in this mkt you'd be lucky with a top 50"

6 months ago # QUOTE 11 Jab 0 No Jab !

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