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• Thread: 3693 Goods vs 1497 No Goods

1. Economist
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   Demand side here at a non-PhD granting institution.
   We received virtually no pressure to hire a female. We had to "consider people from different backgrounds". Which, given the make-up of graduates, is pretty easy to do. If you put together a list of your 20 favorite candidates, there are bound to be some women

   true

   and minorities in it.

   not true

   Quoted poster here. We count Asians as minorities. So it is definitely not a problem. It is obviously not a problem to find some Chinese candidates worth interviewing. And usually a couple South Asians as well. More often than not, we will have a Hispanic or Black candidate on our shortlist. But we don't try for any of these. Last time a Black candidate was interviewed, I had no idea he was Black until he walked into the room.

   We just write in our report that we interviewed a decent balance of women and men and people of various ethnicities and national background and our institution is happy.

   FWIW, we are an institution with a lot of talk of "social justice". And we hire a decent number of women, because there are lots of qualified women candidates.

   To me it's a lesson that this can be done right. The only institutional pressure is "are you guys sure you don't have any racial or gender bias in your hiring? Ok, carry on then."

   8 months ago # QUOTE 6 Good 3 No Good !

2. Economist
   2d17
   

   Demand side here at a non-PhD granting institution.
   We received virtually no pressure to hire a female. We had to "consider people from different backgrounds". Which, given the make-up of graduates, is pretty easy to do. If you put together a list of your 20 favorite candidates, there are bound to be some women

   true

   and minorities in it.

   not true

   Quoted poster here. We count Asians as minorities. So it is definitely not a problem. It is obviously not a problem to find some Chinese candidates worth interviewing. And usually a couple South Asians as well. More often than not, we will have a Hispanic or Black candidate on our shortlist. But we don't try for any of these. Last time a Black candidate was interviewed, I had no idea he was Black until he walked into the room.
   We just write in our report that we interviewed a decent balance of women and men and people of various ethnicities and national background and our institution is happy.
   FWIW, we are an institution with a lot of talk of "social justice". And we hire a decent number of women, because there are lots of qualified women candidates.
   To me it's a lesson that this can be done right. The only institutional pressure is "are you guys sure you don't have any racial or gender bias in your hiring? Ok, carry on then."

   Tbh this sounds like the ideal situation. That's great.

   8 months ago # QUOTE 2 Good 2 No Good !

3. Economist
   bad2
   

   Demand side here at a non-PhD granting institution.
   We received virtually no pressure to hire a female. We had to "consider people from different backgrounds". Which, given the make-up of graduates, is pretty easy to do. If you put together a list of your 20 favorite candidates, there are bound to be some women

   true

   and minorities in it.

   not true

   Quoted poster here. We count Asians as minorities. So it is definitely not a problem. It is obviously not a problem to find some Chinese candidates worth interviewing. And usually a couple South Asians as well. More often than not, we will have a Hispanic or Black candidate on our shortlist. But we don't try for any of these. Last time a Black candidate was interviewed, I had no idea he was Black until he walked into the room.
   We just write in our report that we interviewed a decent balance of women and men and people of various ethnicities and national background and our institution is happy.
   FWIW, we are an institution with a lot of talk of "social justice". And we hire a decent number of women, because there are lots of qualified women candidates.
   To me it's a lesson that this can be done right. The only institutional pressure is "are you guys sure you don't have any racial or gender bias in your hiring? Ok, carry on then."

   You do not understand the problem I think. The problem is not that it is easy to satisfy the diversity requirement you are given. The problem is that you are given diversity requirement to satisfy!! Politics does not belong in academia. All the fields in which politics coopted academia (humanities, sociology) became a joke. Do you want economics to become a joke too?

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4. Economist
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   REstat is a joke now.

   You do not understand the problem I think. The problem is not that it is easy to satisfy the diversity requirement you are given. The problem is that you are given diversity requirement to satisfy!! Politics does not belong in academia. All the fields in which politics coopted academia (humanities, sociology) became a joke. Do you want economics to become a joke too?

   7 months ago # QUOTE 5 Good 0 No Good !

5. Economist
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   Men are pigs! I hate you all.

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6. Economist
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   Men bad women good

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7. Economist
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   So this justifies gender imbalance?

   Men bad women good

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8. Economist
   cad4
   

   FWIW, we are an institution with a lot of talk of "social justice". And we hire a decent number of women, because there are lots of qualified women candidates.
   To me it's a lesson that this can be done right. The only institutional pressure is "are you guys sure you don't have any racial or gender bias in your hiring? Ok, carry on then."

   Are university has implemented quotas that massively favor Visible Minorities/Women. We have a university near by that is ranked so much lower than us but has been hiring slightly better because they are not constrained.

   We pay more so are able to attract decent Visible Minority/female whereas they pay a lot less and have been hiring really strong white males.

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9. Economist
   cad4
   

   ^Are = Our, too early in the morning....

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10. Economist
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    preliminary numbers are out. from the top 5 placements (berkeley, harvard, mit, princeton, stanford) there were 28% women candidates and they obtained 40% of the top 15 jobs (broadly defined)

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11. Economist
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    preliminary numbers are out. from the top 5 placements (berkeley, harvard, mit, princeton, stanford) there were 28% women candidates and they obtained 40% of the top 15 jobs (broadly defined)

    Is this true?? If so, we indeed have a serious problem.

    7 months ago # QUOTE 0 Good 0 No Good !

12. Economist
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    preliminary numbers are out. from the top 5 placements (berkeley, harvard, mit, princeton, stanford) there were 28% women candidates and they obtained 40% of the top 15 jobs (broadly defined)

    Is this true?? If so, we indeed have a serious problem.

    Yeah it's true

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13. Economist
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    i hate to say this, but.
    as everybody tweets out their springtime news of new jobs, I can't help but think that the women getting spots at top schools aren't there in part because of the sort of programs and biases described in this thread.
    i don't want to think that, but it is unavoidable.

    Not for long. Very soon the pseudo liberals will develop NEWSPEAK. The NEWSPEAK language is specifically designed so you cannot have heretic thoughts.

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14. Economist
    d024
    

    preliminary numbers are out. from the top 5 placements (berkeley, harvard, mit, princeton, stanford) there were 28% women candidates and they obtained 40% of the top 15 jobs (broadly defined)

    Any final numbers out there?

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15. Economist
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    in light of the fact that a govt economist announced that he would use his govt resources and email to help only female researchers, it is appropriate to bump this thread

    3 months ago # QUOTE 2 Good 0 No Good !

16. Economist
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    preliminary numbers are out. from the top 5 placements (berkeley, harvard, mit, princeton, stanford) there were 28% women candidates and they obtained 40% of the top 15 jobs (broadly defined)

    Is this true?? If so, we indeed have a serious problem.

    Not necessarily... I think the poster means 40% of top 15 jobs which went to people from those top5 schools (because that is seemingly how you collect the data without scraping 30 schools placement pages), and so they are only overrepresented at a rate of 40%.

    We should not give in to the new idiocy that this is how you measure discrimination, otherwise we have to accept a ton of nonsense about discrimination against minorities...

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17. Economist
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    preliminary numbers are out. from the top 5 placements (berkeley, harvard, mit, princeton, stanford) there were 28% women candidates and they obtained 40% of the top 15 jobs (broadly defined)

    Is this true?? If so, we indeed have a serious problem.

    Not necessarily... I think the poster means 40% of top 15 jobs which went to people from those top5 schools (because that is seemingly how you collect the data without scraping 30 schools placement pages), and so they are only overrepresented at a rate of 40%.
    We should not give in to the new idiocy that this is how you measure discrimination, otherwise we have to accept a ton of nonsense about discrimination against minorities...

    No we won’t. All we care about is privileged white women

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18. Economist
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    i was specifically told by a top 20 school that I could not be considered for a senior position because of my race & gender. it was a school level policy that had been in place for half a decade. (the person who told me about it was irate, but said there was nothing s/he could do about it.)

    so, please shut up about how this is all in our heads.

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19. Economist
    d9e4
    

    Same here, maybe same top 20 school.

    i was specifically told by a top 20 school that I could not be considered for a senior position because of my race & gender. it was a school level policy that had been in place for half a decade. (the person who told me about it was irate, but said there was nothing s/he could do about it.)
    so, please shut up about how this is all in our heads.

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20. Economist
    83bf
    

    Same here, maybe same top 20 school.

    i was specifically told by a top 20 school that I could not be considered for a senior position because of my race & gender. it was a school level policy that had been in place for half a decade. (the person who told me about it was irate, but said there was nothing s/he could do about it.)
    so, please shut up about how this is all in our heads.
    

    Probably.

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