male economists who showed no reliable preference. (Female economists showed the same pro-female preference that male and female psychologists, biologists, and engineers showed.)"
Doesn't this imply an overall preference for female candidates?
Gender imbalance in flyout
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If only you guys knew how bad it really is. There would be a riot.
At my top 20, females are basically guaranteed offers if they fly out. To make a male offer, we have to make a female offer first. Even though we know they won’t come.
If you’re lucky enough to make it through this market, you’ll see what it is like on the other side. And you suddenly won’t feel as bad about all the rejection.
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I interviewed at 4 places that overlapped with two other female candidates in my department. We are in the same field. They got the flyouts, I didnt. All 3 of us are similar in ability and are being sold at the same places (hence the interview overlap).
I interviewed at some places where the interviewer were active econtwitter users who advocated for females in econ. I knew i didnt stand a chance at those places
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male economists who showed no reliable preference. (Female economists showed the same pro-female preference that male and female psychologists, biologists, and engineers showed.)"
Doesn't this imply an overall preference for female candidates?
If women would represent 50% of the econ faculty. Considering today's distribution (approx 20% females), the majority of a hiring committee would be males.
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I interviewed at 4 places that overlapped with two other female candidates in my department. We are in the same field. They got the flyouts, I didnt. All 3 of us are similar in ability and are being sold at the same places (hence the interview overlap).
I interviewed at some places where the interviewer were active econtwitter users who advocated for females in econ. I knew i didnt stand a chance at those places1) "All 3 of us are similar ability" classic male over-confidence. Maybe, uhm, they thought the women were better?
2) 2 other female candidates could only have taken 2 of those other places. So the other 2 you didn't get because... why again? This is not hard. Women might get a bunch of flyouts or offers but in the end will only take 1 position each, and will still be a minority of all slots. It really isn't going to change your chances all that much. -
I interviewed at 4 places that overlapped with two other female candidates in my department. We are in the same field. They got the flyouts, I didnt. All 3 of us are similar in ability and are being sold at the same places (hence the interview overlap).
I interviewed at some places where the interviewer were active econtwitter users who advocated for females in econ. I knew i didnt stand a chance at those places1) "All 3 of us are similar ability" classic male over-confidence. Maybe, uhm, they thought the women were better?
2) 2 other female candidates could only have taken 2 of those other places. So the other 2 you didn't get because... why again? This is not hard. Women might get a bunch of flyouts or offers but in the end will only take 1 position each, and will still be a minority of all slots. It really isn't going to change your chances all that much.I was being nice. The 3 of us are not of similar quality; I'm of higher quality. Does that make you happy? :)
I didn't get the other two spots because better candidates got them.
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1) "All 3 of us are similar ability" classic male over-confidence. Maybe, uhm, they thought the women were better?
2) 2 other female candidates could only have taken 2 of those other places. So the other 2 you didn't get because... why again? This is not hard. Women might get a bunch of flyouts or offers but in the end will only take 1 position each, and will still be a minority of all slots. It really isn't going to change your chances all that much.This is an incredibly dumb post. Yes, two people being given preferential treatment does not change much. However, this is further anecdotal evidence suggesting that the large group to which these two people belong is given preferential treatment, which actually is a big deal and will affect job market outcomes.
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I interviewed at 4 places that overlapped with two other female candidates in my department. We are in the same field. They got the flyouts, I didnt. All 3 of us are similar in ability and are being sold at the same places (hence the interview overlap).
I interviewed at some places where the interviewer were active econtwitter users who advocated for females in econ. I knew i didnt stand a chance at those places1) "All 3 of us are similar ability" classic male over-confidence. Maybe, uhm, they thought the women were better?
2) 2 other female candidates could only have taken 2 of those other places. So the other 2 you didn't get because... why again? This is not hard. Women might get a bunch of flyouts or offers but in the end will only take 1 position each, and will still be a minority of all slots. It really isn't going to change your chances all that much.The market is not continuous. If a woman takes a position at rank 20 that a male candidate was being considered for, that doesn't mean that candidate will drop to rank 21 then 22 and so on. That candidate's next best flyout could be at rank 60 or lower. For many candidates whose best flyout is not even in the top 100, the next best could be a super low ranked school or non-academic position.
Also as an insider at top 50 US, you guys truly have no idea how bad it is. Our target is to flyout candidates at a 3:1 female to male ratio just to get a decent shot at hiring a woman. The problem is that all the schools are adopting similar strategies and the supply side hasn't adjusted yet so there's only so many competent women to go around. This is usually the only reason why we still hire men. Once the supply side adjusts and there are more female candidates, then men are truly fieked.