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1. Economist
   55af
   

   If it's an empirically true statement, how is it racist? I don't get it - she even seems annoyed by the fact.

   If she had followed up with something like "what can we do to help them or change this situation" that would have maybe been okay, but she said something like "it drives me crazy, some of them are good but usually they're just plain at the bottom". So it seemed more like she was just complaining about black people being at the bottom rather than trying to figure out how to solve the problem constructively.

   It was an offhand conversation with a coworker that she didn't know was being recorded, she wasn't giving a speech. How much do you want people to self-policing their own speech that they believe to be private?

   2 years ago # QUOTE 5 Volod 0 Vlad !

2. Economist
   5857
   

   Revealed her attitude and bias. See Oklahoma high school b-ball announcer

   If it's an empirically true statement, how is it racist? I don't get it - she even seems annoyed by the fact.

   If she had followed up with something like "what can we do to help them or change this situation" that would have maybe been okay, but she said something like "it drives me crazy, some of them are good but usually they're just plain at the bottom". So it seemed more like she was just complaining about black people being at the bottom rather than trying to figure out how to solve the problem constructively.

   It was an offhand conversation with a coworker that she didn't know was being recorded, she wasn't giving a speech. How much do you want people to self-policing their own speech that they believe to be private?

   2 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 1 Vlad !

3. Economist
   4ff4
   

   W hite person does poorly: he did poorly.
   B lack person does poorly: they did poorly.
   That’s the bigotry.

   Except you guys (American b-lack ppl) do poor job academically all across the board: from day care to grad school, regardless of your family income, upbringing, etc.

   Here’s the thing, and I want to make this plain. I know I’m better than you. I know my SAT was higher. I know my grades were higher. I know my GMAT/ GRE was higher. I know I if we were in the same classes I would have crushed you. I know this BECAUSE I am Black in these “meritocratic” spaces and to get in and succeed I had to be better than my white and Asian counterparts. This is the case for most Black Americans in these spaces. This is why I think these things are so funny. You’re convinced Black people are inferior, I’m convinced that we have to overcome racism, and do that we have to be more talented than you can imagine. But if it makes you feel better to believe in bigoted ideas, I suggest you keep them to yourself, lest you wind up like this adjunct- fired.

   Ok I want to believe you, but all personal experience plus statistical analysis I’ve suggests the opposite: bIack people are babysat from kindergarten to PhD graduation, if not even further.

   Can you give us one anecdote about a decision where you were objectively better than competitors of other ethnicities and still weren’t chosen?

   2 years ago # QUOTE 7 Volod 1 Vlad !

4. Economist
   4bd7
   

   So the bleck are the Hee and hee are the drama queens?

   2 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

5. Economist
   664e
   

   So the bleck are the Hee and hee are the drama queens?

   You have many advantages over Americans! Be grateful!

   2 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

6. Economist
   129c
   

   isn't she pointing out an admission policy problem?

   2 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 0 Vlad !

7. Economist
   ee32
   

   AA for Harvard.

   So the bleck are the Hee and hee are the drama queens?

   You have many advantages over Americans! Be grateful!

   2 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

8. Economist
   6265
   

   If it's an empirically true statement, how is it racist? I don't get it - she even seems annoyed by the fact.

   If she had followed up with something like "what can we do to help them or change this situation" that would have maybe been okay, but she said something like "it drives me crazy, some of them are good but usually they're just plain at the bottom". So it seemed more like she was just complaining about black people being at the bottom rather than trying to figure out how to solve the problem constructively.

   It was an offhand conversation with a coworker that she didn't know was being recorded, she wasn't giving a speech. How much do you want people to self-policing their own speech that they believe to be private?

   When you're talking about a whole racial group you have to be careful about your language. Especially in a professional environment. I don't think that's asking too much of people. You could see clearly her language made the other person in the conversation uncomfortable.

   2 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 1 Vlad !

9. Economist
   6265
   

   Overall though it didn't seem to me that she had bad intentions. She even expressed her angst. Just very poor choice of language after that unfortunately.

   2 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

10. Economist
    b30d
    

    AA for Harvard.

    So the bleck are the Hee and hee are the drama queens?

    You have many advantages over Americans! Be grateful!
    

    colored

    2 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

11. Economist
    98b8
    

    If it's about how she spoke instead of what she said, why is the other person on administrative leave? Not correcting her?

    If he had said "wow, just wow", he'd still have a job?

    2 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

12. Economist
    f538
    

    W hite person does poorly: he did poorly.
    B lack person does poorly: they did poorly.
    That’s the bigotry.

    Except you guys (American b-lack ppl) do poor job academically all across the board: from day care to grad school, regardless of your family income, upbringing, etc.

    Here’s the thing, and I want to make this plain. I know I’m better than you. I know my SAT was higher. I know my grades were higher. I know my GMAT/ GRE was higher. I know I if we were in the same classes I would have crushed you. I know this BECAUSE I am Black in these “meritocratic” spaces and to get in and succeed I had to be better than my white and Asian counterparts. This is the case for most Black Americans in these spaces. This is why I think these things are so funny. You’re convinced Black people are inferior, I’m convinced that we have to overcome racism, and do that we have to be more talented than you can imagine. But if it makes you feel better to believe in bigoted ideas, I suggest you keep them to yourself, lest you wind up like this adjunct- fired.

    Ok I want to believe you, but all personal experience plus statistical analysis I’ve suggests the opposite: bIack people are babysat from kindergarten to PhD graduation, if not even further.
    Can you give us one anecdote about a decision where you were objectively better than competitors of other ethnicities and still weren’t chosen?

    Are you talking about which black people? The black people I know from Africa are NOT babysat. We work real hard to get into PhDs and get something out of our lives. There is zero babysitting anywhere in the world. I know because I passed through the process and now I am into admissions and mentorship for black people throughout Africa and my highly talented students with, yes, great profiles way ahead of many of the privileged Americans, they are not definitely not being babysat. If there was babysitting as you put it, these students will coast into Harvard and all they applied to - because as I said their profiles are way better than many, and of course I have seen many of your profiles. You guys are just privileged. I cringe when I imagine the opportunities available to you Americans.

    So, you should state what you know and don't say "black people" are babysat from kindergarten to PhD because that is false. You hear. The black people you know, perhaps in your country, are a small subset of the entire black people - and making sweeping statements of a set based on a tiny subset would surely earn you an F if you even did algebra.

    2 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 5 Vlad !

13. Economist
    6265
    

    If it's about how she spoke instead of what she said, why is the other person on administrative leave? Not correcting her?
    If he had said "wow, just wow", he'd still have a job?

    Yeah seems wrong to me that he's been punished from the snippet of the conversation I've seen.

    2 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

14. Economist
    55af
    

    If it's an empirically true statement, how is it racist? I don't get it - she even seems annoyed by the fact.

    If she had followed up with something like "what can we do to help them or change this situation" that would have maybe been okay, but she said something like "it drives me crazy, some of them are good but usually they're just plain at the bottom". So it seemed more like she was just complaining about black people being at the bottom rather than trying to figure out how to solve the problem constructively.

    It was an offhand conversation with a coworker that she didn't know was being recorded, she wasn't giving a speech. How much do you want people to self-policing their own speech that they believe to be private?

    When you're talking about a whole racial group you have to be careful about your language. Especially in a professional environment. I don't think that's asking too much of people. You could see clearly her language made the other person in the conversation uncomfortable.

    Sure, you should be careful. If you're not, should you get fired? And he left as well, after pressure on the school to fire him. There's an erosion of any sense of public vs. private conversations and an increase in outside pressure when it comes to personnel decisions, and even if you think she messed up, you shouldn't be happy with this outcome.

    2 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

15. Economist
    6265
    

    Sure, you should be careful. If you're not, should you get fired? And he left as well, after pressure on the school to fire him. There's an erosion of any sense of public vs. private conversations and an increase in outside pressure when it comes to personnel decisions, and even if you think she messed up, you shouldn't be happy with this outcome.

    I think if you make derogatory comments about a racial group in your class unproductively to another colleague you should be at risk of being fired. I'm not happy with the outcome, I think it's sad that she's without a job now and misspoke in that way. And it seems wrong to me that the male colleague has been punished too.

    2 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 1 Vlad !

16. Economist
    6265
    

    I also agree that there's too much outside pressure on making these decisions. But the fact that this was recorded and went viral made it more difficult to avoid in this case.

    2 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

17. Economist
    e9c9
    

    So why did you make up this thread? What is your point? Why do you dramatize every move and make up fictions? Should I quit my job because of you again?

    2 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

18. Economist
    c3d2
    

    W hite person does poorly: he did poorly.
    B lack person does poorly: they did poorly.
    That’s the bigotry.

    Except you guys (American b-lack ppl) do poor job academically all across the board: from day care to grad school, regardless of your family income, upbringing, etc.

    Here’s the thing, and I want to make this plain. I know I’m better than you. I know my SAT was higher. I know my grades were higher. I know my GMAT/ GRE was higher. I know I if we were in the same classes I would have crushed you. I know this BECAUSE I am Black in these “meritocratic” spaces and to get in and succeed I had to be better than my white and Asian counterparts. This is the case for most Black Americans in these spaces. This is why I think these things are so funny. You’re convinced Black people are inferior, I’m convinced that we have to overcome racism, and do that we have to be more talented than you can imagine. But if it makes you feel better to believe in bigoted ideas, I suggest you keep them to yourself, lest you wind up like this adjunct- fired.

    Exactly wrong. Look at the Harvard lawsuit. SAT score required for admission differ by around one standard deviation by r@c3.

    2 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

19. Economist
    9a98
    

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AMERICANHODL3/status/1370758854716182531

    2 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

20. Economist
    c3d2
    

    Are you talking about which black people? The black people I know from Africa are NOT babysat. We work real hard to get into PhDs and get something out of our lives. There is zero babysitting anywhere in the world. I know because I passed through the process and now I am into admissions and mentorship for black people throughout Africa and my highly talented students with, yes, great profiles way ahead of many of the privileged Americans, they are not definitely not being babysat. If there was babysitting as you put it, these students will coast into Harvard and all they applied to - because as I said their profiles are way better than many, and of course I have seen many of your profiles. You guys are just privileged. I cringe when I imagine the opportunities available to you Americans.
    So, you should state what you know and don't say "black people" are babysat from kindergarten to PhD because that is false. You hear. The black people you know, perhaps in your country, are a small subset of the entire black people - and making sweeping statements of a set based on a tiny subset would surely earn you an F if you even did algebra.

    This thread is about Black AMURICANS. All the internationals are discriminated against in AMURICA, and Africans even more so.

    2 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 1 Vlad !

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