An important question is why Georgia did what she did. I’ve seen stories where women claimed innocence to protect their cases. What’s the end game for GM? Can’t think of any, she is so insignificant in the profession.
Georgia Michailidou's (NYU-AD) allegation against Daniel Houser of GMU:
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What does grope actually mean here?
Ok. So DH did grope GM, no doubt. He also groped other wome around that time in other conferences. Some of these women left academia and have no reasons to lie. DH is the bad guy here soooo for sure.
That she did NOT describe is almost certainly means it’s less than whatever you think. Probably some stupid lame proof for that. Groping means grabbing a woman’s a breast minimum.
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Ok. So DH did grope GM, no doubt. He also groped other wome around that time in other conferences. Some of these women left academia and have no reasons to lie. DH is the bad guy here soooo for sure.
Lol. Proof by assertion. Sorry. You can’t get an A in real analysis on EJMR sh!tfaxe. Your argument sucks
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Tons of people knew about the spring school incident. I think most of these people felt that DH not being invited again was fair punishment so they left it at that. The problem was that when it came up publicly the "punishment" didn't seem right anymore.
The fact that so many people knew and were okay with it just speaks to the magnitude of the problem in the profession.Sorry — you guys poisoned the well. To the rest of us you look like god damn rats
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It’s funny GM’s defenders, probably GM included, have no facts or logic to defend their case. All they can say is believing all women and they’v heard some things about DH (gossip).
To Georgia and her defenders, if you have some FACTs, share it. I’m not buying the gossip stuff. It’s so third grade. DO NOT insult our intelligence. -
Here’s my deal. Jens a psychopath. I read the ofher threads. So I drop all the observations from Jen bc I’m a damn scientist. That leaves ONLY GEORGIA.
And two thins. I’ll wait. ESA learns he touched her shoulder and flirted. Deal. I’m team Dan bc that’s some silliness.
Or nothing, and I’m team dan bc therea a psycho.
I will not forget thoigu.
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You girls trying to destroy Dan bc he another girl (not you mind you) was pretty have like borderline.
It's like the definition of insane, they just let the patients out of the cells.
Dan if you're reading this -- it sounds like she's got major trauma in her life. You didn't cause it. It predates you homeboy. Hang in there. She's the sad one, not you.
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Dan --- reach out. Guy needs US. I do not one bit give one crap you're a high schooler. You email him RIGHT NOW and tell him you love him. You tell him you refuse to believe in this reality Jen has made. You are the master of your own reality, not her. Tell him you will live inside this nightmare with him. You will.
Dan needs you. Jen threw a bomb. Cover his body with yours. This is what it requires to be an economist. To love all people. Our people did not care about pubs. They fought for humans against enemies.
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It's ridiculous how some are trying to suggest these were friendly gestures that could have been misinterpreted. I'm sorry but a shoulder massage is pretty clearly not a tap on the back and groping is clearly not touching someone's back or hand by mistake. Don't infantilize women's capacity to tell the difference. DH is a creep with a history, that's it.
So he’s guilty bc you’ve heard gossip. Got it.
It's not gossip, it's first hand accusations made non-anonymously, unlike all of this thread. In my book, GM has more balls than everyone here.
Georgia has balls?
The balls to be an unknown grad student from nowhere and run off with a mid career academic, leaving wife and kids behind?
The balls to get a high paid courtesy postdoc on account of said gimp?
The balls of trying to seduce other seniors in the field while being with said gimp?
The balls of jumping on the twitter gravy train that is #econmetoo?
The balls to socialize repeatedly for years, visit and be hosted by and also have her gimp work for the person that allegedly groped her a decade ago?
Some ballsIt's called the behavioural horizontal ascend. Except this one is so bad that the best ascent she could muster was a postdoc at NYUAD under that CV ckhold husband of hers
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Appreciate the #MeToo movement hit the Econ world a little (read: embarrassingly) late, but—at minimum—would have at least expected the OP to recognize that, at base, they’re victim blaming. How… Harvey Weinstein of you? [i]
More embarrassing for a purported “objectively-minded” economist, the OP makes ad hominem allegations that he/she claims to be verifiable via a simple Google search. Really? What are the search terms/parameters? I’m a former journalist with investigative experience and OP’s accusations seem entirely subjective and spurious to me. Any serious person would have offered links, especially in the absence of a name. I’ve nonetheless out my investigative capabilities to use on “the Google” and have found nothing beyond a few banal Facebook thumbnails. If those are damning, then I think we all have cause to run for cover, lest we too be tarred a flirtatious siren of middle-aged Economist professors! (I mean, really. Just consider the absurdity of that last sentence. The OP clearly has limited social acumen to have been so scandalized by someone else’s behavior at a conference that involved/impacted them exactly zero. Pathetic bordering on sad, almost, if the accusation weren’t so egregiously dumb.)
You’re economists, right? Then at least consider the data (and your complicity):
Christian von Sikorski et al. (2020) examined the link between delayed sexual harassment allegations and victim-blaming. Studying a German sample, they compared how participants analyzed a news report about a victim’s delayed accusation of harassment, a fresh (days-old) allegation of harassment, or allegations without any time cues. *They found that delayed accusations caused participants to attribute negative motives to the victim—which in turn, increased victim-blaming.* [ii]
Von Sikorski et al. also note that, according to the Pew Research Center (2018), about six-in-ten women in the U.S. report having been sexually abused or having received unwanted sexual advances. Notwithstanding these numbers, they note that the number of formal reports or public accusations are few, in part because research reveals that going public with these types of allegations can be very traumatic for victims, in no small part because the victim is often blamed.
References:
[i] Harvey Weinstein tried to silence and blame victims. At trial it no longer worked, The Guardian, 25 Feb 2020; https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/24/harvey-weinstein-trial-verdict-victims
[ii] von Sikorski, Christian, and Melanie Saumer. 2020. “Sexual Harassment in Politics News about Victims’ Delayed Sexual Harassment Accusations and Effects on Victim Blaming: A Mediation Model.” Mass Communication & Society, June. doi:10.1080/15205436.2020.1769136.
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More embarrassing for a purported “objectively-minded” economist, the OP makes ad hominem allegations that he/she claims to be verifiable via a simple Google search. Really? What are the search terms/parameters? I’m a former journalist with investigative experience and OP’s accusations seem entirely subjective and spurious to me. Any serious person would have offered links, especially in the absence of a name. I’ve nonetheless out my investigative capabilities to use on “the Google” and have found nothing beyond a few banal Facebook thumbnails.
It is no surprise that you are an FORMER investigative journalist (if you ever were one)! Okay. So you need help: Start with GM's and ER's CVs. Then check carefully the faculty pages at NYU AD ... You will find what you are looking for, if you are looking that is.
You want a link too? Okay. Here is one. Fresh off the press. The Atlantic did an article about the #metoo in econ. They discuss JD. But did they discuss GM? Did they discuss the ONLY person that went public with a specific accusation? No they didn't! They stayed away from her, opting instead to discuss two anonymous sources which are clearly not GM. I will let you figure out why that is Sherlock.
(https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/economics-sexual-harrassment-women-sexism/672239/) -
More embarrassing for a purported “objectively-minded” economist, the OP makes ad hominem allegations that he/she claims to be verifiable via a simple Google search. Really? What are the search terms/parameters? I’m a former journalist with investigative experience and OP’s accusations seem entirely subjective and spurious to me. Any serious person would have offered links, especially in the absence of a name. I’ve nonetheless out my investigative capabilities to use on “the Google” and have found nothing beyond a few banal Facebook thumbnails.
It is no surprise that you are an FORMER investigative journalist (if you ever were one)! Okay. So you need help: Start with GM's and ER's CVs. Then check carefully the faculty pages at NYU AD ... You will find what you are looking for, if you are looking that is.
You want a link too? Okay. Here is one. Fresh off the press. The Atlantic did an article about the #metoo in econ. They discuss JD. But did they discuss GM? Did they discuss the ONLY person that went public with a specific accusation? No they didn't! They stayed away from her, opting instead to discuss two anonymous sources which are clearly not GM. I will let you figure out why that is Sherlock.
(https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/economics-sexual-harrassment-women-sexism/672239/)It's called respectful journalism. They obviously want to make a bigger point about the economics profession and not become a hit piece about one case. The point of the journalist is that all the stuff you are supposedly uncovering in GM and ER's CVs amounts to nothing of relevance to the accusation of groping. So simple but seems to escape you.