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1. Economist
   fa28
   

   Find a way to give me your contacts and I will give you one.

   1. There is not much of an incentive for foreigners to pursue an academic career in Germany.
   2. How many poc get Economics degrees in Germany?
   If you talk about discrimination at least get your population, in the sense of Grundgesamtheit right

   I agree. At my university most members on the last BKs would love to have international females, even better if of color, with no pub rather than another white guy with a few pubs. Guess what, only white guys and a few really bad (white) females applied.

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2. Economist
   fa28
   

   Actually some Econ here:

   https://mobile.twitter.com/jenniferdoleac/status/1043579413013639170

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3. Economist
   2411
   

   People with background of migration from Turkey in Germany: about 3 out of 82 million. At the university? Significantly lower. As professors? I haven't heard of any in economics.

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4. Economist
   a28d
   

   People with background of migration from Turkey in Germany: about 3 out of 82 million. At the university? Significantly lower. As professors? I haven't heard of any in economics.

   And your point is?

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5. Economist
   30ba
   

   YK at FS.

   People with background of migration from Turkey in Germany: about 3 out of 82 million. At the university? Significantly lower. As professors? I haven't heard of any in economics.

   And your point is?

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6. Economist
   f77d
   

   YK at FS.

   People with background of migration from Turkey in Germany: about 3 out of 82 million. At the university? Significantly lower. As professors? I haven't heard of any in economics.

   And your point is?
   

   TD at Würzburg

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7. Economist
   38bd
   

   You germans must suck at econometrics. I have been reading the past few pages of this thread and I have seen a few people trying to extrapolate from anecdotal evidence. Naming a few names will not change the fact that you do discrimination in academia, sorry.

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8. Economist
   a112
   

   the burden of proof is on you, my econometrically inclined friend. Show me your evidence or it did not happen.

   You germans must suck at econometrics. I have been reading the past few pages of this thread and I have seen a few people trying to extrapolate from anecdotal evidence. Naming a few names will not change the fact that you do discrimination in academia, sorry.

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9. Economist
   d95f
   

   Naming a few names will not change the fact that you do discrimination in academia, sorry.

   Right, because just calling an assertion a fact is of course credible evidence!

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10. Economist
    964d
    

    Why doesn't the vfs diversity office report any stats on that as they do for the share of female academics?

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11. Economist
    9170
    

    Why doesn't the vfs diversity office report any stats on that as they do for the share of female academics?

    They do

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12. Economist
    964d
    

    Why doesn't the vfs diversity office report any stats on that as they do for the share of female academics?

    They do

    can you post them here or tell us where to find them? They have only stats on female economists on their page

    https://www.socialpolitik.de/De/aktuelle-zahlen

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13. Economist
    ccea
    

    I'd argue that the poor funding and career prospects in Germany are exogenous to the question at hand. Wouldn't you?

    1. There is not much of an incentive for foreigners to pursue an academic career in Germany.
    2. How many poc get Economics degrees in Germany?
    If you talk about discrimination at least get your population, in the sense of Grundgesamtheit right

    You do understand endogeneity, do you?

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14. Economist
    fa28
    

    I am amazed at the level of discourse here. Honest question - are you an undergrad, a PhD student, a JP or a full professor?

    Just because there are exogenous factors leading to lower interest of people with diverse backgrounds - it does not mean there aren’t also endogenous factors at play. This is not rocket science.

    I'd argue that the poor funding and career prospects in Germany are exogenous to the question at hand. Wouldn't you?

    1. There is not much of an incentive for foreigners to pursue an academic career in Germany.
    2. How many poc get Economics degrees in Germany?
    If you talk about discrimination at least get your population, in the sense of Grundgesamtheit right

    You do understand endogeneity, do you?

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15. Economist
    d65e
    

    Can you read? It's about how you measure discrimination.

    If you compare the share of poc in Germany with the share of poc professors you're obviously missing something.

    And hardly any foreign academics move to Germany bc the situation is bad. And that's independent of their ethnicity or whatever.

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16. Economist
    d1cc
    

    But apparently we don't even have descriptive numbers on the share of foreigners and immigrants,so it's hard to have any informed conversation that goes beyond anecdotes.

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17. Economist
    2411
    

    Why doesn't the vfs diversity office report any stats on that as they do for the share of female academics?

    They do

    can you post them here or tell us where to find them? They have only stats on female economists on their page
    https://www.socialpolitik.de/De/aktuelle-zahlen

    That's only females in the association's committees. Are there stats on female economics bachelor/masters/PhD students, PostDocs, junior and full professors? And anything alike for citizenship, migration background?

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18. Economist
    964d
    

    Dorothea Kübler is a disgrace in office. Or maybe she is doing exactly what VfS has asked her to do: nothing! This way VfS can pretend that they understand the problem while in reality they couldnt care less.

    Why doesn't the vfs diversity office report any stats on that as they do for the share of female academics?

    They do

    can you post them here or tell us where to find them? They have only stats on female economists on their page
    https://www.socialpolitik.de/De/aktuelle-zahlen

    That's only females in the association's committees. Are there stats on female economics bachelor/masters/PhD students, PostDocs, junior and full professors? And anything alike for citizenship, migration background?

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19. Economist
    f448
    

    Dorothea Kübler is a disgrace in office. Or maybe she is doing exactly what VfS has asked her to do: nothing! This way VfS can pretend that they understand the problem while in reality they couldnt care less.

    What would you expect her to do?

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20. Economist
    d1cc
    

    Why doesn't the vfs diversity office report any stats on that as they do for the share of female academics?

    They do

    can you post them here or tell us where to find them? They have only stats on female economists on their page
    https://www.socialpolitik.de/De/aktuelle-zahlen

    That's only females in the association's committees. Are there stats on female economics bachelor/masters/PhD students, PostDocs, junior and full professors? And anything alike for citizenship, migration background?

    Committee membership probably gives an accurate picture of the representation of migrants among full profs and senior postdocs. It is somewhat strange that the vfs diversity office only reports this stat for women but not foreigners / migrants.

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