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1. Economist
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   Lucke, Petry, Gauland, Adam (the Afd founders) are no ordinary conservative-liberal politicians.

   Lucke is indeed not an ordinary politician, because he is not a politician anymore at all. He is a professor of economics, a civil servant with the right and obligation to lecture. And it's the obligation of his employer (i.e. the state of Hamburg) to make sure he can do that. Case closed.

   The funniest part of it all is then that the resident Pluralos of course also supported the protest, because they consider him a proponent of the evil and ominous "Neoklassik"...

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2. Economist
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   The funniest part of it all is then that the resident Pluralos of course also supported the protest, because they consider him a proponent of the evil and ominous "Neoklassik"...

   Yes, one might think that this is the actual motivation behind all the protests.

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3. Economist
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   https://mobile.twitter.com/Hornegger/status/1186743247206567937

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4. Economist
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   "Es lohnt sich, in unserem Land zu leben. Da muss man für Werte eintreten, und wer diese Werte nicht vertritt, der kann jederzeit dieses Land verlassen, wenn er nicht einverstanden ist. Das ist die Freiheit eines jeden Deutschen."

   In memoriam Walter Lübcke

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5. Economist
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   But the fact is that the vast majority of AfD members AND voters are simple conservative democrats...

   Oh dear...

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6. Economist
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   Who is invited?
   https://www.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/news/31102019-hearings.html

   Bedre-Defolie, Bruttel, Goldlucke, Krahmer, Mechtenberg, Nocke, Peitz

   Thanks. But there seem to be 8 interviews, so 1 is missing

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7. Economist
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   Also, I would dare to say that left-wing student protests disrupting some Vorlesung are pretty third order given that right-wing groups and individuals have started to kill people in Germany and are openly talking about overthrowing the system. That is a different kind of targeting.

   yes. on point.

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8. Economist
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   Also, I would dare to say that left-wing student protests disrupting some Vorlesung are pretty third order given that right-wing groups and individuals have started to kill people in Germany and are openly talking about overthrowing the system. That is a different kind of targeting.

   yes. on point.

   Dudes, please google Whataboutism. Thanks. Moving on.

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9. Economist
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   Students perceive Lucke as a politician who also happens to be a professor. We here obviously tend to emphasize the fact that he is a tenured professor, but that is clearly less important for students. And honestly, Lucke clealry want to be a politician rather than a researcher. The honorable thing would have been to resign his professorship the moment he decided to become a politician. How do we expect students with migration background to deal with him after he has expressed his views on migration do loudly?

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10. Economist
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    Lucke is not a racist. It is a perfectly reasonable position to be in favor of limits to migration. In fact most democratic parties in other countries are for such limits.

    Students have to deal with all kind of views. That's an important part of a university. A university is not and should not be a "safe space" in terms of intellectual views.

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11. Economist
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    Exactly. Wecan again see that this forum has gotten on the radar of the organized troll industry. This forum is interesting to them because we teach.

    It is probably just 1 or 2 of the same non-economists coming back again and again and trying to twist the discussion toward their usual topics. These guys have endless time and a clear mission.

    Hard to deal with this. The best is probaby to just ignore the Sarrazin and Afd posts

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12. Economist
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    Students perceive Lucke as a politician who also happens to be a professor. We here obviously tend to emphasize the fact that he is a tenured professor, but that is clearly less important for students. And honestly, Lucke clealry want to be a politician rather than a researcher. The honorable thing would have been to resign his professorship the moment he decided to become a politician. How do we expect students with migration background to deal with him after he has expressed his views on migration do loudly?

    That is waht I meant by exactly, not the post above

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13. Economist
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    Lucke is not a racist. It is a perfectly reasonable position to be in favor of limits to migration. In fact most democratic parties in other countries are for such limits.
    Students have to deal with all kind of views. That's an important part of a university. A university is not and should not be a "safe space" in terms of intellectual views.

    As a student of economics, I should be open to different views on how to conduct monetary policy. I shouldn't have to worry about whether my professor is a racist or not because he was the head of what is now an openly extremist party. I think this is a perfectly legitimate demand by students.

    Look the issue is simply that Lucke is in reality now a politician. It is the ideosyncratic tenure rules in Germany that allow him to return to his old job after he has failed in politics. So it is not surprising that students treat him as the politician he really is and not as a professor.

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14. Economist
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    As a student of economics, I should be open to different views on how to conduct monetary policy. I shouldn't have to worry about whether my professor is a racist or not because he was the head of what is now an openly extremist party.

    As a student, you should also be able to differentiate between an extremist party and a member of that party who left it when it became too extreme. Lucke founded a eurosceptic party- that is something perfectly legitimate. This party then took a substantial turn to the right, and he left exactly because of that ("Er wolle nicht als bürgerliches Aushängeschild für politische Vorstellungen missbraucht werden, die er aus tiefer Überzeugung ablehne.", Wikipedia). Making him responsible and calling him a Nazi or a racist for the stuff that the Höckes of the party are saying since 2015 is utter and complete nonsense.

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15. Economist
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    Who is invited?
    https://www.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/news/31102019-hearings.html

    Bedre-Defolie, Bruttel, Goldlucke, Krahmer, Mechtenberg, Nocke, Peitz

    Thanks. But there seem to be 8 interviews, so 1 is missing

    solid list...

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16. Economist
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    As a student of economics, I should be open to different views on how to conduct monetary policy. I shouldn't have to worry about whether my professor is a racist or not because he was the head of what is now an openly extremist party. I think this is a perfectly legitimate demand by students.

    No need to, Lucke did not violate the constitution and was not even close to being observed by the respective authorities.

    Look the issue is simply that Lucke is in reality now a politician. It is the ideosyncratic tenure rules in Germany that allow him to return to his old job after he has failed in politics. So it is not surprising that students treat him as the politician he really is and not as a professor.

    Thats not specific to Germany. Think Larry Summers or Condolezza Rice. It might even be a good thing if there is more exchange between academia and politics. I agree though that in Lucke's case, I would have preferred if he had stepped down as a professor.

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17. Economist
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    Who is invited?
    https://www.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/news/31102019-hearings.html

    Bedre-Defolie, Bruttel, Goldlucke, Krahmer, Mechtenberg, Nocke, Peitz

    Thanks. But there seem to be 8 interviews, so 1 is missing

    solid list...

    Yes, and none of them, if they are sensible, will move to the notorious madhouse that is FU. VN will have requests in terms of teaching (none) and salary (out of the roof) that will be unfulfillable. Hard to think that Bedre-Defolie, Peitz or Goldlucke can be made better off (salary-wise and research money) at FU than in their current positions. Hopeless.

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18. Economist
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    Bruttel is a joke on this list.

    Who is invited?
    https://www.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/news/31102019-hearings.html

    Bedre-Defolie, Bruttel, Goldlucke, Krahmer, Mechtenberg, Nocke, Peitz

    Thanks. But there seem to be 8 interviews, so 1 is missing

    solid list...

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19. Economist
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    Lucke was shouted down. No one here has anything against peaceful protests.
    Regarding your fear of right-wing ideologies: What about all the murders performed by illegal immigrants? What about the economic problems we face in Germany due to the fight against climate change or due to all the problems connected to the Euro? Shouldn't there be a party which clearly opposes this?

    Also, I would dare to say that left-wing student protests disrupting some Vorlesung are pretty third order given that right-wing groups and individuals have started to kill people in Germany and are openly talking about overthrowing the system. That is a different kind of targeting.

    yes. on point.

    These two posts are similarly (not equally) stupid. Some people seem to never have learned to think the slightest bit clearly. Impediments to free speech by left-wing nuts have nothing to do with what utterly idiotic and disgusting righ-wing nuts want to to do FDGO. Both are to be condemned. Yes it's worse to kill people but that doesn't mean it makes sense to prevent free speech by people who have never said anything to that effect.

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20. Economist
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    Look the issue is simply that Lucke is in reality now a politician. It is the ideosyncratic tenure rules in Germany that allow him to return to his old job after he has failed in politics. So it is not surprising that students treat him as the politician he really is and not as a professor.

    Thats not specific to Germany. Think Larry Summers or Condolezza Rice. It might even be a good thing if there is more exchange between academia and politics. I agree though that in Lucke's case, I would have preferred if he had stepped down as a professor.

    What would be the alternative? Saying: hey, you can go into politics but then you'll lose your job?

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