Frucade oder Eierlikör?
German Market
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I see that offers are often made to people who have no interest at all to move. Are people in the hiring committes so little connected to know this or why do they make nevertheless offers to such candidates? And why do these apply in the first place? It does not seem ethical to apply to places where you would not move to for sure. Even if one does not care about ethics, such behavior seems to be bad for the reputation of those candidates.
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What's more funny: she does completely irrelevant research and should now comment on and make proposals for important topics like energy markets.
Lol since when is it relevant what Grimm says? She is probably the least smart and most opportunistic economist I’ve met.
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Lol since when is it relevant what Grimm says? She is probably the least smart and most opportunistic economist I’ve met.
As I was curious, this posting refers to:
https://www.sachverstaendigenrat-wirtschaft.de/en/start/news/cabinets-proposal-for-appointment-of-veronika-grimm-and-monika-schnitzer-2340.html?returnUrl=%2Fen.html&cHash=da0176e2c2e4096d628394dab6b402c4 -
I see that offers are often made to people who have no interest at all to move. Are people in the hiring committes so little connected to know this or why do they make nevertheless offers to such candidates? And why do these apply in the first place? It does not seem ethical to apply to places where you would not move to for sure. Even if one does not care about ethics, such behavior seems to be bad for the reputation of those candidates.
You must be new to the German system, huh? Sure, in principle you're right. But in practice, there is no other way to get a salary increase in Germany, except with an outside offer. It's a game that everybody is playing, on both sides.
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Lol since when is it relevant what Grimm says? She is probably the least smart and most opportunistic economist I’ve met.
As I was curious, this posting refers to:
https://www.sachverstaendigenrat-wirtschaft.de/en/start/news/cabinets-proposal-for-appointment-of-veronika-grimm-and-monika-schnitzer-2340.html?returnUrl=%2Fen.html&cHash=da0176e2c2e4096d628394dab6b402c4I think it refers to this:
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/corona-krise-exit-strategie-veronika-grimm-1.4870681
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I see that offers are often made to people who have no interest at all to move. Are people in the hiring committes so little connected to know this or why do they make nevertheless offers to such candidates? And why do these apply in the first place? It does not seem ethical to apply to places where you would not move to for sure. Even if one does not care about ethics, such behavior seems to be bad for the reputation of those candidates.
You must be new to the German system, huh? Sure, in principle you're right. But in practice, there is no other way to get a salary increase in Germany, except with an outside offer. It's a game that everybody is playing, on both sides.
What do you mean by "German system"? This is completely standard behavior at the international level in economics. The same thing happens in the US for example: only about 25% of senior offers actually gets accepted there.
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But why are these offers made? It is very inefficient for an institution to waste time and resources on an offer that will not be accepted. In many cases in Germany it was almost public knowledge that a candidate is extremely unlikely to accept the offered position. Are the committee members not well enough connected to being aware of such information?
I see that offers are often made to people who have no interest at all to move. Are people in the hiring committes so little connected to know this or why do they make nevertheless offers to such candidates? And why do these apply in the first place? It does not seem ethical to apply to places where you would not move to for sure. Even if one does not care about ethics, such behavior seems to be bad for the reputation of those candidates.
You must be new to the German system, huh? Sure, in principle you're right. But in practice, there is no other way to get a salary increase in Germany, except with an outside offer. It's a game that everybody is playing, on both sides.
What do you mean by "German system"? This is completely standard behavior at the international level in economics. The same thing happens in the US for example: only about 25% of senior offers actually gets accepted there.
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What do you mean by "German system"? This is completely standard behavior at the international level in economics. The same thing happens in the US for example: only about 25% of senior offers actually gets accepted there.
Yes and no. I agree this is, to some extent, true everywhere. But it is more extreme in Germany (to the point that in Germany professors put "declined offers" in their CV, something considered cringeworthy everywhere else)
It is more extreme in Germany, IMHO, because the salary negotiation is not done with the dean or HoD, or at least someone vaguely familiar with your productivity as a researcher, someone who can tell if you are productive or not, but with a career manager-bureaucrat, the "Kanzler" or, in the past, someone in the ministry of education. These people cannot tell a JPE publication from a Kyklos. So their only way of gauging your ability is to see whether you can garner outside offers. In the past (C4 system), you even had fixed salary increases for each outside offer, I think 750 DM or so.