I learned again from this discussion and twitter postings afterwards that people like Anna Reisch, Claudia Kemfert and (most) Pluralists are Activists rather than Scientists. They have a political agenda and are not interested in exploring how things work.
What on earth is a senior professorship and why does Peter Bofinger have one?
Thx! They say the mainstream ignores them although they have a quarter to half of the speakers at such a discussion. I think the Pluralos are represented far above parity in the discourse. And then, the only things that come out of them are sentences along the lines of, "the time when economics only describes must be over, economics must design the change, (of course, my way!)." In the end, they still have the cheek to demand further meetings instead of expressing thankfulness for the possibility of being allowed to have a word as nobody.
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The more important question should be:
Why giving the pluralos again and again a big platform even they are such a small minority?
Only because they are so noisy and probably fit to the zeitgeist?
The overrepresentation of them in all discussions is rid1culous and harms the economics profession.
If economics wants to continue to take itself seriously, it should not continue to allow itself to be morally blackmailed by the pluralos in the future.
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To be honest - our profession is plural and this is actually really positive! However, we have severe problems with ideology and our "discussion culture".
To prevent harm, we should not voluntarily participate in twitter discussions. Even if we sometimes really feel compelled, we should leave it alone. Then, at least, we don't give off such a bad image in public. -
To be honest - our profession is plural and this is actually really positive! However, we have severe problems with ideology and our "discussion culture".
To prevent harm, we should not voluntarily participate in twitter discussions. Even if we sometimes really feel compelled, we should leave it alone. Then, at least, we don't give off such a bad image in public.You missed the point. The profession is plural, yes.
However, there is a specific noisy minority (I call them social activists) which is in fact overrepresented in all economic discussions and gets way too much attention. This minority is capable to do that because the econ profession in general is morally blackmailed by this specific group and gives in to the pressure. A consequence is that these activists are taken seriously as "experts" in the public. We should therefore make a clearer distinction between scientism and activism.
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To be honest - our profession is plural and this is actually really positive! However, we have severe problems with ideology and our "discussion culture".
To prevent harm, we should not voluntarily participate in twitter discussions. Even if we sometimes really feel compelled, we should leave it alone. Then, at least, we don't give off such a bad image in public.You missed the point. The profession is plural, yes.
However, there is a specific noisy minority (I call them social activists) which is in fact overrepresented in all economic discussions and gets way too much attention. This minority is capable to do that because the econ profession in general is morally blackmailed by this specific group and gives in to the pressure. A consequence is that these activists are taken seriously as "experts" in the public. We should therefore make a clearer distinction between scientism and activism.I like this idea (I voted Jab), but these guys will do you and the profession harm. Talk to the media and journalists, but not via twitter. Twitter is toxic and moralists will not only destroy you but also the profession.
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I heard they try to sell it or close it. Makes sense, look at the WR part.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allensbach_HochschuleA University with one professor, that is interesting: https://www.allensbach-hochschule.de/
I found at least four professors on that page (e.g. by clicking on the "Studiengangsleitung" links).
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What on earth is a senior professorship and why does Peter Bofinger have one?
Why not?
Btw: Has anyone seen the discussion with Mankiw today?->Peter says from his poin of view the book has some weak points.
->Greg agrees from his point of view, but a textbook is not for own points of view, rather of the whole profession.
-> Peter nanswers, nevertheless, as this is a powerful book, Mankiw can make some points
->Mankiw says no, cause the book will loose power, when it stops cover the whole picture of the whole profession.
->RR says, it's the job of the lecturer to make own points...
->Anna says why only describing and not designing the economy
->Greg&RR say, economics is about illustrating where markets and governments fail and what are the instrument to overcome the failures including describing potential side-effects. As there are always trade-offs and side-effects, it is up to individual preferences and thus a question social chioce how to solve market failures.
So it is not about the book is good/right or bad/wrong, it is about different views what and how a textbook and economics can and should contribute.Peter made it a topic, but for something well-known and only again. The students at Harvard took some action quite a while ago already.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2011/11/3/ec-walkout-occupy/
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Rudi is completely right when he means he wants to reduce the senseless discussions with pluralists. A discussion with these social activists is like a fight against windmills. They only want to drive their political agenda and economics is considered to be just something to bend to these political ideals.
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Well, that is something that most of us realized long ago. Rudi was the one who started instead interacting a lot with them and giving them additional recognition. Good that he finally stops and goes the route that most of us have chosen years ago. It is not only a waste of time to argue with people like CK, but it makes these people more powerful. If we want to change the world for a better (as CK&Co claim to aim at), we should make sure that they do not have much influence as their solutions are not based on years of rigorous scientific work, but on "hey I just had an idea. If you disagree you do not want to make the world a better place. People will die, because you do not agree with me". If we really want to make the world a better place, we better study hard and look for good and feasable solutions. It is not that difficult. Every student learns about externalities and how to deal with them in Econ101.
Rudi is completely right when he means he wants to reduce the senseless discussions with pluralists. A discussion with these social activists is like a fight against windmills. They only want to drive their political agenda and economics is considered to be just something to bend to these political ideals.
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I heard they try to sell it or close it. Makes sense, look at the WR part.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allensbach_HochschuleA University with one professor, that is interesting: https://www.allensbach-hochschule.de/
I found at least four professors on that page (e.g. by clicking on the "Studiengangsleitung" links).
Agree that the site is really bad though. -
Well, that is something that most of us realized long ago. Rudi was the one who started instead interacting a lot with them and giving them additional recognition. Good that he finally stops and goes the route that most of us have chosen years ago. It is not only a waste of time to argue with people like CK, but it makes these people more powerful. If we want to change the world for a better (as CK&Co claim to aim at), we should make sure that they do not have much influence as their solutions are not based on years of rigorous scientific work, but on "hey I just had an idea. If you disagree you do not want to make the world a better place. People will die, because you do not agree with me". If we really want to make the world a better place, we better study hard and look for good and feasable solutions. It is not that difficult. Every student learns about externalities and how to deal with them in Econ101.
Rudi is completely right when he means he wants to reduce the senseless discussions with pluralists. A discussion with these social activists is like a fight against windmills. They only want to drive their political agenda and economics is considered to be just something to bend to these political ideals.
Mankiw behaved like a cheap cartoon of a 'neoclassic villain': He presented his right-wing partisan views as 'the mainstream' and expelled Bofinger from it because he believes otherwise. And Bofingers points weren't that troublesome at all (means can be accepted by modern open minded economists).
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Allensbach the new Schmalkalden or more like the new harvard
just checked schmalkalden...one of the guys there has published better than at least 80% or probably even 90% of the profs at German Universities. how did he end up there?
Who? Link?
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Q: How did he end up there?
A: As young male researcher without top-5 this is your realistic placementAllensbach the new Schmalkalden or more like the new harvard
just checked schmalkalden...one of the guys there has published better than at least 80% or probably even 90% of the profs at German Universities. how did he end up there?
Who? Link?
Really good:
https://www.hs-schmalkalden.de/de/hochschule/fakultaeten/fakultaet-wirtschaftswissenschaften/personen/professorinnen.html?target=24134&module=TemplatePersondetails&config_id=3caa95f5fa9d6aa8664578a0f1769748&range_id=995de4ab303bcff914115aa9ba6c2747&username=hueschel&group_id=ed36e1611073d5818673c5b1e0d65028
and a hire for diversity: https://www.hs-schmalkalden.de/de/hochschule/fakultaeten/fakultaet-wirtschaftswissenschaften/personen/professorinnen.html?target=24134&module=TemplatePersondetails&config_id=3caa95f5fa9d6aa8664578a0f1769748&range_id=995de4ab303bcff914115aa9ba6c2747&username=richte18&group_id=ed36e1611073d5818673c5b1e0d65028 -
Allensbach the new Schmalkalden or more like the new harvard
just checked schmalkalden...one of the guys there has published better than at least 80% or probably even 90% of the profs at German Universities. how did he end up there?
Better than 80-90%? Not really
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I don’t like Bofinger, but I looked over his 10 points and I mostly agree. Den Mindestlohn mit 3 strichen abzutun ist mir schon vor 15 Jahren im ersten Semester sauer aufgestoßen. Dass Mankiw davon immer noch nicht abweicht obwohl die Mehrheitsmeinung in der Literatur schon längst weiter ist, spricht Bände.
I had some pluralo friends back then. Rudi insulted them way before Twitter was a thing in the comment sections of blogspot.. Lang ist’s her. The thing is, many students drawn by pluralo ideas are no different in their mindset from your standard academic researchers (after all, the goal of research is to question the conventional wisdom and the status quo of knowledge!). But since most german undergrads don’t (did not?) have access to modern econ research, they are easy prey the pluralos.
My pluralo friends from back then all went on to get their phds and are pretty successful researchers, one just got his first top 5. But all blossomed as researchers only outside of Germany.
Well, that is something that most of us realized long ago. Rudi was the one who started instead interacting a lot with them and giving them additional recognition. Good that he finally stops and goes the route that most of us have chosen years ago. It is not only a waste of time to argue with people like CK, but it makes these people more powerful. If we want to change the world for a better (as CK&Co claim to aim at), we should make sure that they do not have much influence as their solutions are not based on years of rigorous scientific work, but on "hey I just had an idea. If you disagree you do not want to make the world a better place. People will die, because you do not agree with me". If we really want to make the world a better place, we better study hard and look for good and feasable solutions. It is not that difficult. Every student learns about externalities and how to deal with them in Econ101.
Rudi is completely right when he means he wants to reduce the senseless discussions with pluralists. A discussion with these social activists is like a fight against windmills. They only want to drive their political agenda and economics is considered to be just something to bend to these political ideals.
Mankiw behaved like a cheap cartoon of a 'neoclassic villain': He presented his right-wing partisan views as 'the mainstream' and expelled Bofinger from it because he believes otherwise. And Bofingers points weren't that troublesome at all (means can be accepted by modern open minded economists).