Don’t even try
Getting out of a teaching school is almost impossible
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A teaching school is where you prepare, deliver and record a lecture on whether or not p-values are below 0.05. And then you spend the next week replying to hundreds of emails from students asking what statistically significant means. All while being told to publish more and write grants because the provost wants to increase research on your mostly teaching and service focused campus. And department chairs are telling you to create new graduate courses for a $200 stipend.
Be very careful about the last part.
Failure to launch a new grad course or program can cost tenure.
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It has been my opinion that some schools with PhD programs do their students a disservice because they cannot (and almost never will) place them in research schools. So for those of you in this position, did you know that the chance of getting a research-oriented placement was low when you accepted the PhD offer? I ask because my colleagues believe that a PhD program provides the university with prestige and students know what they are getting when they are admitted. Do you think this is true?
Be honest.
Students who study in a LRM PhD program are lemons with low GRE scores. Professors who teach in those are also mostly lemons with international degrees.
They can’t expect anything better than a 2nd/3rd rate career all their life.
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It has been my opinion that some schools with PhD programs do their students a disservice because they cannot (and almost never will) place them in research schools. So for those of you in this position, did you know that the chance of getting a research-oriented placement was low when you accepted the PhD offer? I ask because my colleagues believe that a PhD program provides the university with prestige and students know what they are getting when they are admitted. Do you think this is true?
Be honest.
Students who study in a LRM PhD program are lemons with low GRE scores. Professors who teach in those are also mostly lemons with international degrees.
They can’t expect anything better than a 2nd/3rd rate career all their life.LRM professors in PhD programs are almost exclusively former HRM US students.
Did you generate your post through an EJMR random post bot? You seem to use the right words, while simultaneously knowing nothing about the field.
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Let us see the quintessential VLRM PhD school faculty.
https://www.uno.edu/academics/coba/facultyThey hold degrees from the following universities:
University of Nebraska-Lincoln, USA
Texas A & M University in College Station
D.B.A., Texas-Tech University
University of Arizona.Please tell us which of these professors are "exclusively former HRM US students?"
It has been my opinion that some schools with PhD programs do their students a disservice because they cannot (and almost never will) place them in research schools. So for those of you in this position, did you know that the chance of getting a research-oriented placement was low when you accepted the PhD offer? I ask because my colleagues believe that a PhD program provides the university with prestige and students know what they are getting when they are admitted. Do you think this is true?
Be honest.
Students who study in a LRM PhD program are lemons with low GRE scores. Professors who teach in those are also mostly lemons with international degrees.
They can’t expect anything better than a 2nd/3rd rate career all their life.LRM professors in PhD programs are almost exclusively former HRM US students.
Did you generate your post through an EJMR random post bot? You seem to use the right words, while simultaneously knowing nothing about the field. -
It has been my opinion that some schools with PhD programs do their students a disservice because they cannot (and almost never will) place them in research schools. So for those of you in this position, did you know that the chance of getting a research-oriented placement was low when you accepted the PhD offer? I ask because my colleagues believe that a PhD program provides the university with prestige and students know what they are getting when they are admitted. Do you think this is true?
Be honest.
Students who study in a LRM PhD program are lemons with low GRE scores. Professors who teach in those are also mostly lemons with international degrees.
They can’t expect anything better than a 2nd/3rd rate career all their life.Not really. I have two Phd students going to lrm phd. 335 and 323 GRE scores. Are these low GREs?
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It has been my opinion that some schools with PhD programs do their students a disservice because they cannot (and almost never will) place them in research schools. So for those of you in this position, did you know that the chance of getting a research-oriented placement was low when you accepted the PhD offer? I ask because my colleagues believe that a PhD program provides the university with prestige and students know what they are getting when they are admitted. Do you think this is true?
Be honest.
Students who study in a LRM PhD program are lemons with low GRE scores. Professors who teach in those are also mostly lemons with international degrees.
They can’t expect anything better than a 2nd/3rd rate career all their life.Not really. I have two Phd students going to lrm phd. 335 and 323 GRE scores. Are these low GREs?
^your cherry picked example is mostly full of people who are on the verge of retirement, or DEI candidates. And even in that sample none have a degree from outside the US.
I think his LRM definition is different from others definition here. That's the prolem. His LRM actually means unranked, e.g. some Podunk University
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I'm writing a bs "growth and development" report for one of these places where I have to wax polemic about my meetings with undergrads and how these resulted in a religious charismatic experience.
Dude at the weed store suggested some CBN gummies to get me through it.
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Teaching school is the best place to be, if you don't mind teaching and don't want pressure.
If you teaching reasonably, you'll get tenure, and can enjoy being at the top of the local food chain. Other than pay, why would you want your life to be less enjoyable and more stress filled?
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As a teaching school AP who has moved a couple of times, starting from a 4-4 and now at a 3-2, I think the consensus in this discussion is close to the reality. I have my 2 cents to add:
1. The most important problem for moving up, even after publishing one or two top 3s, is the way hiring committees view us. They mostly look for excuses to *not* hire us. The comments I’ve heard (from friends who told me about the private conversations) were “he’s been out x years”, “his PhD is from a low ranked institution”, “his good papers are with others”. I can’t do anything about these arguments. No one ever said “well done publishing in top journals while teaching four courses”.
2. I think besides differences in preferences, the disagreements about teaching jobs are because of the very large variance in job satisfaction at teaching schools. Pay at teaching schools with similar loads can vary as much as $50k. Also, the difference between a 3-2 with two preps and one with 4 preps is more than the difference between a 3-2 and 4-4 with similar preps. 3 preps in a semester takes all your time but 1 prep with three sections, especially if they’re in the same day, is fine. I can make the same argument for service: the 4-4 may assign you on one committee that never meets and the 3-2 may put you on 2 demanding committees with bi weekly meetings.
3. Many of you don’t agree with this but after 8 years of trying post PhD I am now convinced that hard working people at low ranked universities must leave academia. There is far less path dependence in other jobs. Unfortunately academics at top have an incentive to maintain the hierarchy. Everything, including the journals, resources, time, and the hiring committees, are against us.
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I'm writing a bs "growth and development" report for one of these places where I have to wax polemic about my meetings with undergrads and how these resulted in a religious charismatic experience.
Dude at the weed store suggested some CBN gummies to get me through it.gummies are essential for air travel.
probably unhelpful for assistant professors.
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3. Many of you don’t agree with this but after 8 years of trying post PhD I am now convinced that hard working people at low ranked universities must leave academia.
I agree with you.
This is my current goal. Out ten years, tried to move several times, failed. It’s time for a new career.
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Just checked the website. I don't think there is any cherry picking.
No finance/econ faculty is an "exclusively former HRM US student".Are you an insider pushing this school? Programs like this need to be shutdown. They do no good to our society other than produce APs who are better off teaching at highschools.
^your cherry picked example is mostly full of people who are on the verge of retirement, or DEI candidates. And even in that sample none have a degree from outside the US.