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• Thread: 235 Goods vs 109 No Goods

1. Economist
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   I believe divorces are declining, but that's because there's fewer marriages. Marriage rates are very high and divorce rates very low among the top 20% of Americans. Rather interesting.

   British social surveys have shown that women were happier in the 1950s than today. Which is also interesting. I do think more women responded positively to strong cultural norms ordaining the nuclear family structure with breadwinning father and housewife raising children. They liked the cultural and social structure provided by that society. Same for men, too. Sure, there were unhappy marriages back then but we are focusing on the aggregate, not individual cases. The anything goes outlook of today's world has resulted in clear winners among a minority of women but for most women it's probably been a net loss rather than gain.

   2 months ago # QUOTE 9 Volod 1 Vlad !

2. Economist
   dd3f
   

   would rather be alone than with someone they don't like.

   What a deep insight! More seriously, the obvious response to this argument is that preferences are endogenous. The average woman back in the day was much more prone to like the average man than she is now. Thus it was easier to create sustainable matches a few decades ago. Some turned out to be bad matches, of course, just as some do now, but much more people would find a partner.

   Now we can argue about the causes of this change in preferences, whether it be social media, dating sites, or generally the decline of the culture and of traditional values.

   2 months ago # QUOTE 7 Volod 0 Vlad !

3. Economist
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   Maybe men became less manly, chuds.

   2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 3 Vlad !

4. Economist
   3065
   

   I believe divorces are declining, but that's because there's fewer marriages. Marriage rates are very high and divorce rates very low among the top 20% of Americans. Rather interesting.
   British social surveys have shown that women were happier in the 1950s than today. Which is also interesting. I do think more women responded positively to strong cultural norms ordaining the nuclear family structure with breadwinning father and housewife raising children. They liked the cultural and social structure provided by that society. Same for men, too. Sure, there were unhappy marriages back then but we are focusing on the aggregate, not individual cases. The anything goes outlook of today's world has resulted in clear winners among a minority of women but for most women it's probably been a net loss rather than gain.

   They liked it in comparison to what they could have, which was nothing.

   Women today have the option to marry like they did in the past. Yet they don't. More than that: many of those who do, get a divorce. Pretty obvious that a bad marriage isn't great for them.

   2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 2 Vlad !

5. Economist
   3065
   

   would rather be alone than with someone they don't like.

   What a deep insight! More seriously, the obvious response to this argument is that preferences are endogenous. The average woman back in the day was much more prone to like the average man than she is now. Thus it was easier to create sustainable matches a few decades ago. Some turned out to be bad matches, of course, just as some do now, but much more people would find a partner.
   Now we can argue about the causes of this change in preferences, whether it be social media, dating sites, or generally the decline of the culture and of traditional values.

   Much easier to explain this with changing constraints than with changing preferences. In the 50s women could only do secretarial work, voting was frowned upon, going to (real) college was rare, etc. That meant women *needed* to be married to participate in society.

   Today, being a SAHM is still available. Yet they don't want it. Basic revealed preference.

   2 months ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 3 Vlad !

6. Economist
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   Fertility opportunity hypotheses. Peoples views toward family formation etc tend to follow their beliefs about opportunity. The top 20% are optimistic and have boarded opportunities systemically and through higher cognitive skills and the bottom 80% are not.

   I believe divorces are declining, but that's because there's fewer marriages. Marriage rates are very high and divorce rates very low among the top 20% of Americans. Rather interesting.
   British social surveys have shown that women were happier in the 1950s than today. Which is also interesting. I do think more women responded positively to strong cultural norms ordaining the nuclear family structure with breadwinning father and housewife raising children. They liked the cultural and social structure provided by that society. Same for men, too. Sure, there were unhappy marriages back then but we are focusing on the aggregate, not individual cases. The anything goes outlook of today's world has resulted in clear winners among a minority of women but for most women it's probably been a net loss rather than gain.

   2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

7. Economist
   3065
   

   I believe divorces are declining, but that's because there's fewer marriages. Marriage rates are very high and divorce rates very low among the top 20% of Americans. Rather interesting.
   British social surveys have shown that women were happier in the 1950s than today. Which is also interesting. I do think more women responded positively to strong cultural norms ordaining the nuclear family structure with breadwinning father and housewife raising children. They liked the cultural and social structure provided by that society. Same for men, too. Sure, there were unhappy marriages back then but we are focusing on the aggregate, not individual cases. The anything goes outlook of today's world has resulted in clear winners among a minority of women but for most women it's probably been a net loss rather than gain.

   And what you said about divorce rates isn't true. https://flowingdata.com/2021/05/04/divorce-rates-and-income/

   Around 30% for earners above 200k a year. How is that very low?

   2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

8. Economist
   27c8
   

   Chuds, women have autonomy now. Deal with it. Haha.

   Women also now have record levels of depression, antidepressant use, sucde ideation, etc. Seems like women are not able to "deal with it".

   Honestly, this is concern t.roling and cope. Everything in society is set up to shift consequences for their behavior away from them and onto you. They aren't allowed to lose. Women are doing just fine.

   2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 3 Vlad !

9. Economist
   27c8
   

   Chuds, women have autonomy now. Deal with it. Haha.

   Women also now have record levels of depression, antidepressant use, sucde ideation, etc. Seems like women are not able to "deal with it".

   And you think marrying someone they find disgusting would solve any of that?

   The only "disgusting" person here is you

   2 months ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

10. Economist
    27c8
    

    Chuds, women have autonomy now. Deal with it. Haha.

    They shouldn't. One day again, they won't. So it goes.

    2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

11. Economist
    3065
    

    Chuds, women have autonomy now. Deal with it. Haha.

    Women also now have record levels of depression, antidepressant use, sucde ideation, etc. Seems like women are not able to "deal with it".

    And you think marrying someone they find disgusting would solve any of that?

    The only "disgusting" person here is you

    Funny, I'm married, so I guess at least one person disagrees with you.

    I'm guessing you are an ymsel, and thus *everyone* thinks you are disgusting. It's a tough pill to swallow, I know.

    2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 2 Vlad !

12. Economist
    3065
    

    Chuds, women have autonomy now. Deal with it. Haha.

    They shouldn't. One day again, they won't. So it goes.

    "Women shouldn't have autonomy so that their life prospects are awful and marrying me looks good in comparison"

    Nothing like an ymsel that knows he isn't worth anything unless we restrict people's choices.

    2 months ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 2 Vlad !

13. Economist
    27c8
    

    Funny, I'm married, so I guess at least one person disagrees with you.
    I'm guessing you are an ymsel, and thus *everyone* thinks you are disgusting. It's a tough pill to swallow, I know.

    Do you people have any awareness at all of how trite you are? (Rhetorical question.)

    2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

14. Economist
    0278
    

    I hereby volunteer to get them out of this dire situation

    2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

15. Economist
    27c8
    

    Chuds, women have autonomy now. Deal with it. Haha.

    They shouldn't. One day again, they won't. So it goes.

    "Women shouldn't have autonomy so that their life prospects are awful and marrying me looks good in comparison"
    Nothing like an ymsel that knows he isn't worth anything unless we restrict people's choices.

    I'll be sure to remind you of that next time you're caterwauling about age gaps and "discriminatory" pay and hiring

    2 months ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

16. Economist
    3065
    

    Funny, I'm married, so I guess at least one person disagrees with you.
    I'm guessing you are an ymsel, and thus *everyone* thinks you are disgusting. It's a tough pill to swallow, I know.

    Do you people have any awareness at all of how trite you are? (Rhetorical question.)

    Why be original if the classic argument still works?

    2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 1 Vlad !

17. Economist
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    Yeah, nothing like waking up to a person you are not attracted to, having ugly children and thinking of someone else during the act.
    Chud, it is not just marriages that are declining, divorces and affairs are skyrocketing. You know why? Women would rather be alone than with someone they don't like.

    That is in my model.

    -- C. Darwin

    2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

18. Economist
    3065
    

    Chuds, women have autonomy now. Deal with it. Haha.

    They shouldn't. One day again, they won't. So it goes.

    "Women shouldn't have autonomy so that their life prospects are awful and marrying me looks good in comparison"
    Nothing like an ymsel that knows he isn't worth anything unless we restrict people's choices.

    I'll be sure to remind you of that next time you're caterwauling about age gaps and "discriminatory" pay and hiring

    The majority of society supports women getting paid and hired at same rates as men.

    The majority of society is against women being forced to sleep with men they consider truly disgusting, because that is literal torture.

    I don't see any contradictions.

    2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 4 Vlad !

19. Economist
    27c8
    

    Funny, I'm married, so I guess at least one person disagrees with you.
    I'm guessing you are an ymsel, and thus *everyone* thinks you are disgusting. It's a tough pill to swallow, I know.

    Do you people have any awareness at all of how trite you are? (Rhetorical question.)

    Why be original if the classic argument still works?

    At no point did it "work" except in giving you a little dopamine bump for your expression of conformity. Which, I suppose, does mean it's working.

    2 months ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

20. Economist
    27c8
    

    The majority of society supports women getting paid and hired at same rates as men.
    The majority of society is against women being forced to sleep with men they consider truly disgusting, because that is literal torture.
    I don't see any contradictions.

    Oh lol, it's you again. I leave this place for months and here you still are, regurgitating the same inanities. Glad we could establish that the "majority" is always right. I'm sure that line of reasoning will never come back to bite you.

    2 months ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 1 Vlad !

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