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How do you keep confidence when 0 flyout?

Economist
ce31

I got AEA interviews from some decent schools. Some of them are ranked much higher than my PhD institution. So I was confident of getting a job. I felt well in all my interviews. They went better than all my practice interviews.

But still get no flyout.

Maybe the market is much more competitive than I thought. Or maybe I am far away from a strong candidate, even though my interview list looks nice. I should concentrate on my work now but I could not, because I start to think I am just incapable of doing research in econ.

Some of my target schools post their job talk seminars. I am afraid of looking at the profiles of those candidates. I may completely lose confidence if I realize that they are all much stronger than me.

How can I pick up my confidence and resolution......

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Economist
af84

OP, there's no need to pick up your confidence. No flyouts means you will have no need to act confidently with prospective employers.

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Economist
b533

Write better papers and publish them

11 months ago # QUOTE 4 Good 4 No Good !
Economist
ab80

Well, schools interview 20+ people and fly 3-5 people out for each position. So based on the probability theory, in this market people should probably assume rejection for each individual school, unfortunately.

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Economist
eb76

When I need a confidence-boost, I take of my shirt, stand in front of a mirror, and alternate between kissing my left and right biceps. Every now and then, I look myself in the eyes and say "Yeah. You're hot. Yeah."

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Economist
ae90

This is how I am feeling OP! I actually looked up the seminars of the target schools. I am not an experienced researcher but it looked like the quality of many where comparable to my profile. I concluded that it is more of a fit. They might have specific fields, research interests or teaching that meet the department needs, better connections to the department or expressed the kind of interest that we couldn't convey. I wouldn't take it personally. You got good interviews because of your profile and you did your best, the rest is not really in your hand!

Fingers crossed...we all end up somewhere content!

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Economist
ce31

That's true. No need to feel sad if rejected by one school. But it's hard to convince myself nothing went wrong if rejected by all schools....

Well, schools interview 20+ people and fly 3-5 people out for each position. So based on the probability theory, in this market people should probably assume rejection for each individual school, unfortunately.

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Economist
f0b7

i hear ya. But if they interview 25 ppl for one position but can only invite 3 for (first) flyout, it is not hard to see why they dont fly you out even if you feel good about the interview.

I also heard that schools diversify the candidate profiles in terms of ranking because 1. risk averse or 2. diversify requirement by HR. If it is the former case, you still have a chance.

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Economist
5afb

Try not to lose hope. One guy in my cohort met 1 other person applying for the same job in govt. The other guy is from a much higher rank program and got the flyout, but he's likely to prefer other offers if he gets them. However, the flyout is not until Feb and therefore a potential round 2 flyout for my friend won't be for weeks.

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Economist
ae90

i hear ya. But if they interview 25 ppl for one position but can only invite 3 for (first) flyout, it is not hard to see why they dont fly you out even if you feel good about the interview.
I also heard that schools diversify the candidate profiles in terms of ranking because 1. risk averse or 2. diversify requirement by HR. If it is the former case, you still have a chance.

This is exactly the reason I wish they didn't give out so many interviews at the ASSA and give us all the hope that we would actually end up in a fine place!

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Economist
ce31

Yes, for each school, demand is always higher than supply. Even the strongest candidate from a HRM may fail to get a flyout from a particular school.

But if fail on all schools.........it's hard to believe that I am still good.....

i hear ya. But if they interview 25 ppl for one position but can only invite 3 for (first) flyout, it is not hard to see why they dont fly you out even if you feel good about the interview.
I also heard that schools diversify the candidate profiles in terms of ranking because 1. risk averse or 2. diversify requirement by HR. If it is the former case, you still have a chance.

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Economist
b38e

i hear ya. But if they interview 25 ppl for one position but can only invite 3 for (first) flyout, it is not hard to see why they dont fly you out even if you feel good about the interview.
I also heard that schools diversify the candidate profiles in terms of ranking because 1. risk averse or 2. diversify requirement by HR. If it is the former case, you still have a chance.

This is exactly the reason I wish they didn't give out so many interviews at the ASSA and give us all the hope that we would actually end up in a fine place!

that's pretty stupid. even if before the interviews, you're on the bottom of their list, at least you have the chance to move up, however small that chance is. it's non-zero in general.

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Economist
ae90

i hear ya. But if they interview 25 ppl for one position but can only invite 3 for (first) flyout, it is not hard to see why they dont fly you out even if you feel good about the interview.
I also heard that schools diversify the candidate profiles in terms of ranking because 1. risk averse or 2. diversify requirement by HR. If it is the former case, you still have a chance.

This is exactly the reason I wish they didn't give out so many interviews at the ASSA and give us all the hope that we would actually end up in a fine place!

that's pretty stupid. even if before the interviews, you're on the bottom of their list, at least you have the chance to move up, however small that chance is. it's non-zero in general.

I am not sure how a 30 min interview where every candidate is well-prepared to do the spiel can change the order much! This explains why most candidates feel like the interviews went well but get nothing out of it!

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Economist
ce31

According to standard economic theory, having a small chance is always better than having no chance.
But people are often not rational and not following standard economic theory

i hear ya. But if they interview 25 ppl for one position but can only invite 3 for (first) flyout, it is not hard to see why they dont fly you out even if you feel good about the interview.
I also heard that schools diversify the candidate profiles in terms of ranking because 1. risk averse or 2. diversify requirement by HR. If it is the former case, you still have a chance.

This is exactly the reason I wish they didn't give out so many interviews at the ASSA and give us all the hope that we would actually end up in a fine place!

that's pretty stupid. even if before the interviews, you're on the bottom of their list, at least you have the chance to move up, however small that chance is. it's non-zero in general.

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Economist
3da3

Yes, for each school, demand is always higher than supply. Even the strongest candidate from a HRM may fail to get a flyout from a particular school.
But if fail on all schools.........it's hard to believe that I am still good.....

i hear ya. But if they interview 25 ppl for one position but can only invite 3 for (first) flyout, it is not hard to see why they dont fly you out even if you feel good about the interview.
I also heard that schools diversify the candidate profiles in terms of ranking because 1. risk averse or 2. diversify requirement by HR. If it is the former case, you still have a chance.

I am in the same situation. I felt good about all my interviews, but nothing from many interviews. It's been really hard. In my case I kind of passed the low confidence feeling and now I am worried about not getting a job :(

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Economist
1bd4

Do not lose hoap

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Economist
5273

You've gotta reach out
Take hold of my hand
You've gotta reach out
Till you're safe on dry land
You've gotta hold on
Baby never give up
You've gotta reach out
When you're caught in the current of love

Keep your eye out, search for
The horizon
Life's a struggle,
Full of compromises
There'll be storms but we'll soon
see the sun shine
And I won't quit until I know
You're mine
If I can get you
In my arms tonight
We'll stay together
If you hold on tight

You've gotta reach out
Take hold of my hand
You've gotta reach out
Till you're safe on dry land
You've gotta hold on
Baby never give up
You've gotta reach out
When you're caught in the
Current of love

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Economist
3a1c

It's still early OP. If you still have no flyouts in 2 weeks time, then you can stress out. For now, just wait.

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Economist
ae90

What kind of schools schedule late flyouts? Why would there by such a delay? Looks like schools of all ranks have already called for flyouts.

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Economist
ca90

What kind of schools schedule late flyouts? Why would there by such a delay? Looks like schools of all ranks have already called for flyouts.

Here is what you need to happen. You need the overlap of schools among candidates to be extremely large. You need all of the candidates with 10 flyouts to be the same schools. That’s your best chance to move up the list, as each job takes someone off the list of people in front of you and you need the initial flyout list to be exhausted before you have a chance.

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