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1. Economist
   febe
   

   Much of education economics belongs in education departments.

   Most people in education departments don't have the quantitative skills to do program evaluation work. For better or worse, all the quantitative education policy journals are dominated by economists. Usually when they have a bit more complex paper with better data or extra supporting evidence or more complex discussion of mechanisms it goes to a top field or possibly general interest econ journal.

   That is not only arrogant, but extremely self-defeating. So now if I believe that physicians are not good at their jobs, that means I should start teaching anatomy at my economics department?

   Ok, then you need to go to your university's education department and tell them they need to teach more than t-tests and simple regression in their methods course before letting the students forget everything and focus on qualitative research.

   4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

2. Economist
   2fba
   

   education economics >>>> whatever OP does (most likely related to suckung and cawks)

   4 years ago # QUOTE 4 Volod 3 Vlad !

3. Economist
   174a
   

   Students in top Ph.D. programs in education such as Stanford, Harvard, and Columbia take Ph.D. econ courses, although they are not as advanced in math as typical econ Ph.D. students are. They get a master's degree in economics along with their doctoral degree in education. I took econometric sequence courses plus one course from biostat department.

   Much of education economics belongs in education departments.

   Most people in education departments don't have the quantitative skills to do program evaluation work. For better or worse, all the quantitative education policy journals are dominated by economists. Usually when they have a bit more complex paper with better data or extra supporting evidence or more complex discussion of mechanisms it goes to a top field or possibly general interest econ journal.

   That is not only arrogant, but extremely self-defeating. So now if I believe that physicians are not good at their jobs, that means I should start teaching anatomy at my economics department?

   4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 3 Vlad !

4. Economist
   febe
   

   ^there are a handful of education programs that provide that kind of training. I can think of Harvard, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Arkansas off the top of my head. There are hundreds of econ and econ focused policy programs. That's why all the education research is done by economists.

   4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

5. Economist
   6155
   

   Q(K, L) is economics but education production is not economics? Whether world cup leads to a shock in education production, by altering the inputs of that process, is not economics?

   Can't believe the ignorance and narrow-mindedness of some self-proclaimed economists. Why don't you go back in time and live in Adam Smith era.

   4 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 2 Vlad !

6. Economist
   8b26
   

   Q(K, L) is economics but education production is not economics? Whether world cup leads to a shock in education production, by altering the inputs of that process, is not economics?
   Can't believe the ignorance and narrow-mindedness of some self-proclaimed economists. Why don't you go back in time and live in Adam Smith era.

   As someone posted above, if the effect of world cup altering education which is an input to production process is economics, then discovering a new vaccine that heals diseases that affect worker productivity is economics, designing new software to use in production process is economics, math that students learn in schools that they use as inputs in production process is economics, etc. etc.

   Everything is indirectly related to production in some way. What economists study is directly related to production, distribution and consumption of goods and services.

   4 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 2 Vlad !

7. Economist
   a772
   

   As someone posted above, if the effect of world cup altering education which is an input to production process is economics, then discovering a new vaccine that heals diseases that affect worker productivity is economics, designing new software to use in production process is economics, math that students learn in schools that they use as inputs in production process is economics, etc. etc.
   Everything is indirectly related to production in some way. What economists study is directly related to production, distribution and consumption of goods and services.

   bro what are you even talking about. development economists would certainly be interested in how introducing vaccines and other medical care affect economic growth. Economists certainly care about how new technologies or changes in education affect productivity. Yeah world cup on efficiency of learning or whatever is pretty niche and small and more on the edge of econ, but its still econ.

   4 years ago # QUOTE 4 Volod 0 Vlad !

8. Economist
   3920
   

   As someone posted above, if the effect of world cup altering education which is an input to production process is economics, then discovering a new vaccine that heals diseases that affect worker productivity is economics, designing new software to use in production process is economics, math that students learn in schools that they use as inputs in production process is economics, etc. etc.
   Everything is indirectly related to production in some way. What economists study is directly related to production, distribution and consumption of goods and services.

   bro what are you even talking about. development economists would certainly be interested in how introducing vaccines and other medical care affect economic growth. Economists certainly care about how new technologies or changes in education affect productivity. Yeah world cup on efficiency of learning or whatever is pretty niche and small and more on the edge of econ, but its still econ.

   Complete garbage. This is the same line of reasoning for Psychologism, (everything involving human beings is based on the mind ergo everything is psychology).

   4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 2 Vlad !

9. Economist
   8fae
   

   seriously, if you give me results that a new law improved test scores, thats nice and all, but thats public policy. its not economics.
   just TRY to prove me wrong.

   So you mean investigating demand for cereals is the only economics, or doing and redoing same IO stuff till GNT is the only econ?

   4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 1 Vlad !

10. Economist
    7247
    

    Insecure reg monkey detected.

    Take your straw man arguments and shove them up your STATA package.

    seriously, if you give me results that a new law improved test scores, thats nice and all, but thats public policy. its not economics.
    just TRY to prove me wrong.

    So you mean investigating demand for cereals is the only economics, or doing and redoing same IO stuff till GNT is the only econ?

    4 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

11. Economist
    cf24
    

    As Bryan Caplan said, education is not worth anything! Education econ sucks.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 1 Vlad !

12. Economist
    8fae
    

    Insecure reg monkey detected.
    Take your straw man arguments and shove them up your STATA package.

    seriously, if you give me results that a new law improved test scores, thats nice and all, but thats public policy. its not economics.
    just TRY to prove me wrong.

    So you mean investigating demand for cereals is the only economics, or doing and redoing same IO stuff till GNT is the only econ?
    

    I know lot of APs who brag about not being reg monkey but the only publications they have is reduced form regressions....

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

13. Economist
    a772
    

    honestly also do you know how f'king awesome it is to be in the discipline where our 'brand' is de-facto we can do empirics better than any other social science?

    Literally any policy area, who are people going to turn to for insight where it matters most? Economics. There are huge gains to the profession for that and you want to just throw it all away so we can have smaller departments and influence, but just study really core theoretical ideas?

    Everybody hires economists. Education and policy schools and think tanks etc.. but all other friend-of-econ PhDs have to stay in their lane. I think having this monopoly results in huge gains for everyone in econ.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 6 Volod 1 Vlad !

14. Economist
    3920
    

    honestly also do you know how f'king awesome it is to be in the discipline where our 'brand' is de-facto we can do empirics better than any other social science?
    Literally any policy area, who are people going to turn to for insight where it matters most? Economics. There are huge gains to the profession for that and you want to just throw it all away so we can have smaller departments and influence, but just study really core theoretical ideas?
    Everybody hires economists. Education and policy schools and think tanks etc.. but all other friend-of-econ PhDs have to stay in their lane. I think having this monopoly results in huge gains for everyone in econ.

    You know it's like my adviser said, eventually you behave and act like the models you create. Yes, if you're willing to forsake any sense of integrity and make an amoral choice to maximize rents. Yes this is the way to go.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 1 Vlad !

15. Economist
    ab33
    

    Integrity and morality are just memes to hold you down.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

16. Economist
    e9fa
    

    'education economics' is too narrow. Let's face it, it's just a subset of labor.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

17. Economist
    e683
    

    honestly also do you know how f'king awesome it is to be in the discipline where our 'brand' is de-facto we can do empirics better than any other social science?
    Literally any policy area, who are people going to turn to for insight where it matters most? Economics. There are huge gains to the profession for that and you want to just throw it all away so we can have smaller departments and influence, but just study really core theoretical ideas?
    Everybody hires economists. Education and policy schools and think tanks etc.. but all other friend-of-econ PhDs have to stay in their lane. I think having this monopoly results in huge gains for everyone in econ.

    ....economists usually can't write for nuts though, that's why they do math lol...

    No qualitative methods

    No good understanding of theories in sociology, political science,anagement

    Just reg monkies

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 1 Vlad !

18. Economist
    8b26
    

    honestly also do you know how f'king awesome it is to be in the discipline where our 'brand' is de-facto we can do empirics better than any other social science?
    Literally any policy area, who are people going to turn to for insight where it matters most? Economics. There are huge gains to the profession for that and you want to just throw it all away so we can have smaller departments and influence, but just study really core theoretical ideas?
    Everybody hires economists. Education and policy schools and think tanks etc.. but all other friend-of-econ PhDs have to stay in their lane. I think having this monopoly results in huge gains for everyone in econ.

    How long can this last, though? Pretty much every good political scientist can do a RDD; a lot of education departments teach RCTs; public health departments nowadays teach as much statistics as us.

    If econometric techniques are valuable, it is unavoidable that sooner or later (and most likely sooner rather than later) other disciplines will catch up on it. And then, when we lose this comparative advantage, we will end up with economics departments that try to do everything, but nothing really better than the specialized disciplines do. (Because don't forget that economic theory/econometrics is our ONLY comparative advantage, education departments know a lot more about actual education than us, and the same is valid for health, political science, sociology, etc.)

    4 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 0 Vlad !

19. Economist
    8b26
    

    bro what are you even talking about. development economists would certainly be interested in how introducing vaccines and other medical care affect economic growth. Economists certainly care about how new technologies or changes in education affect productivity. Yeah world cup on efficiency of learning or whatever is pretty niche and small and more on the edge of econ, but its still econ.

    Nice straw-man argument. No one disputes that what you said is economics, but what you said is not what I did. My examples were: analyze the effect of vaccines on health outcomes (if it works), analyze if a new software improves IT performance in a firm or if a new educational method improves math learning.

    These examples are exactly as much economics as the effect of world cup on learning. (Which to me is zero, to you might differ, but don't straw-man them into something else.)

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

20. Economist
    7a88
    

    reg monkeys have redefined economics so that a paper is economics if and only if it includes linear regressions.

    Theorist here I found a homotopy that lets me transform any theoretical model into linear regression and back to an equivalent theoretical representation so you are correct.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

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