Econ of ed folks are able to get grants that some of the rest of you don't get. I think there is some jealousy here.
How is education economics 'economics'?
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bro what are you even talking about. development economists would certainly be interested in how introducing vaccines and other medical care affect economic growth. Economists certainly care about how new technologies or changes in education affect productivity. Yeah world cup on efficiency of learning or whatever is pretty niche and small and more on the edge of econ, but its still econ.
Nice straw-man argument. No one disputes that what you said is economics, but what you said is not what I did. My examples were: analyze the effect of vaccines on health outcomes (if it works), analyze if a new software improves IT performance in a firm or if a new educational method improves math learning.
These examples are exactly as much economics as the effect of world cup on learning. (Which to me is zero, to you might differ, but don't straw-man them into something else.)The paper you're talking about is not equivalent to asking whether a vaccine works. The authors very clearly did not set out to answer the question "does the world cup affect learning?' They are using the world cup as a regular, exogenous shock to the relative value of leisure to measure how student effort impacts school outcomes across multiple cohorts of students. It's much more like using an exogenous shock to the supply of vaccines to see if it impacts development, as the other poster used as an example and as you agree is worthwhile economics.
Is the problem just that it's education? The World Cup is also a shock to the relative value of leisure for labor market participants, so you could also use it to assess how shocks to labor-leisure impact work outcomes. The only problem is that no one has variable wages that measure realtime productivity, but students have variable exams that measure productivity. We could use economy-wide measures of productivity (my guess is this has been done to some degree), but the direct relationship between individual students and exam scores makes it much more attractive in my opinion. And given how much this board spends debating whether intelligence is inherent ability or effort (and given the significant role test scores play in labor market outcomes, especially in European countries), seems like a relevant question.
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Economics of Education is not a "field" but an important topic in many fields.
4 out of the last 9 JBC winners have done a lot of work in education, but are primarily associated with a larger field.
Duflo (Development & Education)
Chetty (Public & Education)
Fryer (Labor & Education)
Pathak (Theory/Mechanism Design & Education)Good economics of education papers that publish well usually motivate the question more broadly. Papers that look at narrower education interventions publish in field journals or econ of ed journals (like EFP or EER). Sometimes papers of the latter type get lucky and publish higher.
But overall, health and education are large parts of the economy and it's not surprising that many fields find applications in these areas.
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@114b see, this is what I mean when I say you keep changing the goal posts/creating straw men!
They are using the world cup as ... impacts school outcomes across multiple cohorts of students.
So their paper is about SCHOOL OUTCOMES. (i.e., education.)
It's much more like using an exogenous shock ... to see if it impacts development
So this hypothetical example is about (economic) DEVELOPMENT. (i.e., economics).
Can you see now the difference? If they could show that world cup causes economic underdevelopment (possibly through the mechanism of lower grades), then I would happily accept that paper as economics.
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Economics is the science which studies human behaviour as a relationship between ends and scarce means which have alternative uses. -- -- Lionel Robbins (1935).
The material means of achieving ends are limited. We have been turned out of Paradise. We have neither eternal life nor unlimited means of gratification. Everywhere we turn, if we choose one thing we must relinquish others which, in different circumstances, we wish not to have relinquished. Scarcity of means to satisfy ends of varying importance is an almost ubiquitous condition of human behaviour. -- Lionel Robbins (1935)
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There are two completely different types of "education economics" or "economics of education," not distinguished by having different names. However, they are distinguished by each having their own journal.
So the Journal of Economic Education is all about how to teach economics. Economics Education Review is really about labor economics or the human capital formation part of it, and more specifically how education in general, not specifically economics courses impacts that. They are quite distinct.
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