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Economist 5fb7
PhD in the US (VWL), have been a senior prof in both countries. Won't say where I am now, not OP.
Economist 3e83
Could someone please shed some light on the negotiation process following the Ruf? What is okay to ask, what is not. Material available online is very vague and general to offer much insight. Danke.
Economist eccb
If you actually have one, become a member here http://www.hochschulverband.de and make an appointment for a consultation
Economist 4b09
Germany is corrupt
Post Who sits in the Berufungskommissionen? E.g. Say there is a position in marketing, then will the members be other German professors in marketing, or fellow BWL professors in the same department? Or both? Most Berufungskommissionen I know of have two kinds of members: First people from the department that hires. Because these departments are very small you cannot expect someone from the same profession in the Kommission. It is very rare and usually only the case if you have two management/marketing/whatever people in the department. Second, the Präsidium usually requires to include people from other universities AND from the field. But those people have different interest (for example: get someone a position, they do not care if the other person is a a**hole etc) so that this field person is usually not that strong in the Kommission. Formally, both kind of members have the same right to vote. So in the 2nd stage, it's all about like ability? Pubs become irrelevant? Even for Mannheim or Frankfurt, who have quite a few guys with top pubs? I would not say irrelevant but of second (sometimes even third) degree importance. I was told that at a Dutch university a guy came in and behaved like a super a**hole, ignoring anybody and he was very rude. He got the job because he knew he was THE guy who cannot be beaten by his pubs. This will never happen in Germany and I am pretty sure neither in Frankfurt, Bonn, or Mannheim. Is a Habilitatiion still expected? No. It is not a formal requirement in any Hochschulgesetz as far as I know and if someone uses this as an argument it can backfire - in the sense that the Rektorat says "You do not know the rules and we are replacing you in the Kommission". (Or it is used because to hide the actual reason.) 4) At what stage does a US PhD have a decent chance at W3? E.g. an accounting guy with good US PhD, 4 years out and 3 top 3 pubs and nothing else? Anything else that would help on a CV? I have seen people fresh from PhD getting W2 and even W3. Maybe few years after PhD is more convincing (having a network that will help the hiring university for being "really international"). After having tenure in the US it gets more difficult because now people here do not understand why you move: You earn more etc pp, the stuff I wrote about above.
Who sits in the Berufungskommissionen? E.g. Say there is a position in marketing, then will the members be other German professors in marketing, or fellow BWL professors in the same department? Or both? Most Berufungskommissionen I know of have two kinds of members: First people from the department that hires. Because these departments are very small you cannot expect someone from the same profession in the Kommission. It is very rare and usually only the case if you have two management/marketing/whatever people in the department. Second, the Präsidium usually requires to include people from other universities AND from the field. But those people have different interest (for example: get someone a position, they do not care if the other person is a a**hole etc) so that this field person is usually not that strong in the Kommission. Formally, both kind of members have the same right to vote. So in the 2nd stage, it's all about like ability? Pubs become irrelevant? Even for Mannheim or Frankfurt, who have quite a few guys with top pubs? I would not say irrelevant but of second (sometimes even third) degree importance. I was told that at a Dutch university a guy came in and behaved like a super a**hole, ignoring anybody and he was very rude. He got the job because he knew he was THE guy who cannot be beaten by his pubs. This will never happen in Germany and I am pretty sure neither in Frankfurt, Bonn, or Mannheim. Is a Habilitatiion still expected? No. It is not a formal requirement in any Hochschulgesetz as far as I know and if someone uses this as an argument it can backfire - in the sense that the Rektorat says "You do not know the rules and we are replacing you in the Kommission". (Or it is used because to hide the actual reason.) 4) At what stage does a US PhD have a decent chance at W3? E.g. an accounting guy with good US PhD, 4 years out and 3 top 3 pubs and nothing else? Anything else that would help on a CV? I have seen people fresh from PhD getting W2 and even W3. Maybe few years after PhD is more convincing (having a network that will help the hiring university for being "really international"). After having tenure in the US it gets more difficult because now people here do not understand why you move: You earn more etc pp, the stuff I wrote about above.
Who sits in the Berufungskommissionen? E.g. Say there is a position in marketing, then will the members be other German professors in marketing, or fellow BWL professors in the same department? Or both?
So in the 2nd stage, it's all about like ability? Pubs become irrelevant? Even for Mannheim or Frankfurt, who have quite a few guys with top pubs?
Is a Habilitatiion still expected?
4) At what stage does a US PhD have a decent chance at W3? E.g. an accounting guy with good US PhD, 4 years out and 3 top 3 pubs and nothing else? Anything else that would help on a CV?
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