In my dept, if you are "no good", they let you go early (as early as year 4). Else they keep you till year 6. I strongly believe that it is optimal for me to be out at year 5. But my advisor says no till year 6. He thinks I am a genius (which I am not) and he wants the dept to have the best placement. I think on the margin, it is a "no good" for me. A lot of ppl I know of from conferences asked me if I am on the mkt (for potential opportunities at their school). I think I am missing out by not going on the mkt. What cases can I present to convince my advisor?
I wana go on the mkt this year. My advisor says no. ....
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everyone says you're a troll (and given this site they're probably right) but i find this description realistic. Median times of graduation are going up and it's not always clear why. A discussion of this and related issues would be helpful
In my dept, if you are "no good", they let you go early (as early as year 4). Else they keep you till year 6. I strongly believe that it is optimal for me to be out at year 5. But my advisor says no till year 6. He thinks I am a genius (which I am not) and he wants the dept to have the best placement. I think on the margin, it is a "no good" for me. A lot of ppl I know of from conferences asked me if I am on the mkt (for potential opportunities at their school). I think I am missing out by not going on the mkt. What cases can I present to convince my advisor?
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You are suffering through cognitive dissonance. No good department will let you go out in year 4, if you are no-good, as it will screw-up their reputation.
If you are in year 5, it means you are not ready to be on the market yer, don't justify that with how good you are.
If you are going into year 6, market knows that you need lots of startup time to get warmed up.
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Go ahead and tell yourself whatever you need to get by, man. Sure, you really are ready to go out this year and your advisor is totally sabotaging your market for next year because there's no way you'll be able to do anything productive over the next twelve months.
You'll always be able to look back to this point of time and claim your travesty of a career would have been so much better if only your goddam advisor was smart enough to listen to you.
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In my dept, it is a bit like OP.
If your are good and you are not ready, you advisor will tell you to wait one year and finance you one extra year. If your advisor think you are dump, he will want you to go on the market as soon as possible not to deal with you anymore...
Op at rochester?
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I am not claiming the average student in the job mkt is inferior to those that are not. Think about it. This could not be an equilibrium outcome. However, like I said, the profs here keep you longer if they think you can improve your placement marginally (subject to your staying is worth their time). They won't let out ppl that are not ready either. But once you demonstrated that you fulfill the requirements (including an ok dissertation, etc), they decide who to let out and who to keep. I happen to be on the later group. But I believe that it it is optimal for me to leave by year 5 (not 6). The question is, I have to credibly argue and convince my advisor.
For what it is worth, i am not at rochester.
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Some advisors will hold students because work is not good enough, but may also want to do it if they think the extra year is likely to improve the quality of the JMP significantly. If you are in the latter case, just explain to him you do not want the best placement you can get. Have an open discussion about the potential of current work and see if you are satisfied if the limits he place on your job search. Now, this genius talk is simply ridiculous. Do not say that to your advisor.