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1. Economist
   2d84
   

   It's similar, but your example is someone who continued to do IO while in a marketing department. I think it actually exemplifies the reason why marketing departments still favor marketing phds.

   And I would assume a school like Berkeley requires 5-6 A's for tenure in the marketing department of the business school. You can't do that publishing in econ/IO journals. For many reasons. 1 being that top marketing journals only take 2-3 months to make a decision on a first round submission.

   I would also think that in order to get tenure in a marketing department you would need to have at least 1 leading marketing journal publication (at the very least, a Management Science).

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2. Economist
   2c0f
   

   "...top marketing journals only take 2-3 months to make a decision on a first round submission...."

   But unlike econ journals the number of revision rounds can go up to 4-5 and rejections after 2nd or 3rd round are not uncommon, which do not help. In a top bschool econ dept you are expected of 4As, at least.

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3. Economist
   2d84
   

   Fair enough.

   But I would still think the average (HRM or MRM) marketing department wants someone who publishes in the marketing A's. Which is why they're going to seek out marketing phds. If you look at Berkeley over the past 6 years, it's 40th in terms of research output in top marketing journals (I'm not trying to say it's not a great department regardless, but this is what happens when you hire econ/psych PhDs).

   Now an econ phd with a Marketing Science will likely be a star of the market. He/she has the pedigree and has a proven track record.

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4. Economist
   4382
   

   Like the guy from UPenn this year, right?

   Fair enough.
   But I would still think the average (HRM or MRM) marketing department wants someone who publishes in the marketing A's. Which is why they're going to seek out marketing phds. If you look at Berkeley over the past 6 years, it's 40th in terms of research output in top marketing journals (I'm not trying to say it's not a great department regardless, but this is what happens when you hire econ/psych PhDs).
   Now an econ phd with a Marketing Science will likely be a star of the market. He/she has the pedigree and has a proven track record.

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5. Economist
   03b2
   

   He really cleaned up with his whole, 1 offer? From USC? Super. Star.

   Like the guy from UPenn this year, right?

   Fair enough.
   But I would still think the average (HRM or MRM) marketing department wants someone who publishes in the marketing A's. Which is why they're going to seek out marketing phds. If you look at Berkeley over the past 6 years, it's 40th in terms of research output in top marketing journals (I'm not trying to say it's not a great department regardless, but this is what happens when you hire econ/psych PhDs).
   Now an econ phd with a Marketing Science will likely be a star of the market. He/she has the pedigree and has a proven track record.
   

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6. Economist
   4382
   

   He had only 1 offer? I find that hard to believe

   He really cleaned up with his whole, 1 offer? From USC? Super. Star.

   Like the guy from UPenn this year, right?

   Fair enough.
   But I would still think the average (HRM or MRM) marketing department wants someone who publishes in the marketing A's. Which is why they're going to seek out marketing phds. If you look at Berkeley over the past 6 years, it's 40th in terms of research output in top marketing journals (I'm not trying to say it's not a great department regardless, but this is what happens when you hire econ/psych PhDs).
   Now an econ phd with a Marketing Science will likely be a star of the market. He/she has the pedigree and has a proven track record.
   

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7. Economist
   c744
   

   I notice that most marketing PhDs got some job experience and come with a Mba before committing their PhDs. So they might have better research ideas for business. Econ PhDs are just aspies in the ivory towers with only studying all along on their cv.

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8. Economist
   d221
   

   I notice that most marketing PhDs got some job experience and come with a Mba before committing their PhDs. So they might have better research ideas for business. Econ PhDs are just aspies in the ivory towers with only studying all along on their cv.

   Not really. A lot of people come straight from undergrad

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9. Economist
   2d84
   

   He really cleaned up with his whole, 1 offer? From USC? Super. Star.

   Like the guy from UPenn this year, right?

   Fair enough.
   But I would still think the average (HRM or MRM) marketing department wants someone who publishes in the marketing A's. Which is why they're going to seek out marketing phds. If you look at Berkeley over the past 6 years, it's 40th in terms of research output in top marketing journals (I'm not trying to say it's not a great department regardless, but this is what happens when you hire econ/psych PhDs).
   Now an econ phd with a Marketing Science will likely be a star of the market. He/she has the pedigree and has a proven track record.
   

   All you need is 1 offer.

   Anyways, he had several HRM fly outs. It was up to him to take advantage of that and prove that he could be a good marketing colleague.

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10. Economist
    c744
    

    I am thinking that work experience may help in your phd marketing research. Any success examples of phd marketing without any job experience? I see most of them have job experience. Unless you are talking about phd Econ who do IO, and then yes, most phd Econ are aspies without any work experience.

    I notice that most marketing PhDs got some job experience and come with a Mba before committing their PhDs. So they might have better research ideas for business. Econ PhDs are just aspies in the ivory towers with only studying all along on their cv.

    Not really. A lot of people come straight from undergrad

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11. Economist
    c744
    

    I think without work experience and with only pure Econ background, it's better to go for phd Econ and do IO and then go for both Econ and marketing job market.

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12. Economist
    4382
    

    Heard that marketing PhDs are better at presenting and teaching. Is there any truth to this? The CBs seem slick, especially the many hot girls in this category.

    I think without work experience and with only pure Econ background, it's better to go for phd Econ and do IO and then go for both Econ and marketing job market.

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13. Economist
    d221
    

    1. Marketing students do not necessarily come with a work background but they are in business schools and they are exposed to business problems.
    2. They are far better at presenting and being likable. If you want to come to the marketing market, you better be a good presenter too.
    3. Do not think about going to both the econ and the marketing market. Marketing happens much earlier and you either have a job or not by the time econ market is starting. And if you come to the marketing market with "umm, I don't know, I am not totally set on marketing, I may do econ too..." nobody is going to hire you with an attitude like that. You have to want be in marketing, and that is costly. You need to know what you are talking about, read the literature, know the people, want to publish in marketing.
    4. The only economists who have been successful in marketing are those who made a complete switch to marketing. Catherine Tucker at MIT is a good example. None of her stuff can make it to a top econ journal but she produces and produces light marketing things. There are those who happen to find a better job in a marketing department but deny the fact that they are working for a marketing department. They usually do not survive, in neither area. Not wanted in marketing and not welcome in econ.

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14. Economist
    c744
    

    One of my main concern is that would one not being able to fit in well in business school phd marketing programs with little to no work experience? And would no work experience put one in research disadvantage for marketing problems? I see most phd marketing students got some corporate experience and this puts them give a better feel of how to do research in business/marketing problems? And personally, I surmise that doing business/marketing research without work experience is like trying to understand business from the ivory tower and you may not know what you are talking about. It's just like doing phd in management without any work experience. Correct me if i am wrong.

    I know Econ phd is more aspie and more mathurbation, and so no work exp is perfectly fine, and actually for Econ, the more math the better.

    I am posting all these because I am interested to do IO and thinking whether phd marketing would be better than doing IO in phd Econ.

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15. Economist
    4382
    

    Seems like doing a PhD in marketing is a better option. One thing I was thinking of is to simply load up on econ classes, if you're concerned about the "advantages" IO folks have.

    One of my main concern is that would one not being able to fit in well in business school phd marketing programs with little to no work experience? And would no work experience put one in research disadvantage for marketing problems? I see most phd marketing students got some corporate experience and this puts them give a better feel of how to do research in business/marketing problems? And personally, I surmise that doing business/marketing research without work experience is like trying to understand business from the ivory tower and you may not know what you are talking about. It's just like doing phd in management without any work experience. Correct me if i am wrong.
    I know Econ phd is more aspie and more mathurbation, and so no work exp is perfectly fine, and actually for Econ, the more math the better.
    I am posting all these because I am interested to do IO and thinking whether phd marketing would be better than doing IO in phd Econ.

    7 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

16. Economist
    34fc
    

    You have some years of corporate work experience under your belt? Most PhD marketing students have years of work experiences.

    Seems like doing a PhD in marketing is a better option. One thing I was thinking of is to simply load up on econ classes, if you're concerned about the "advantages" IO folks have.

    One of my main concern is that would one not being able to fit in well in business school phd marketing programs with little to no work experience? And would no work experience put one in research disadvantage for marketing problems? I see most phd marketing students got some corporate experience and this puts them give a better feel of how to do research in business/marketing problems? And personally, I surmise that doing business/marketing research without work experience is like trying to understand business from the ivory tower and you may not know what you are talking about. It's just like doing phd in management without any work experience. Correct me if i am wrong.
    I know Econ phd is more aspie and more mathurbation, and so no work exp is perfectly fine, and actually for Econ, the more math the better.
    I am posting all these because I am interested to do IO and thinking whether phd marketing would be better than doing IO in phd Econ.
    

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17. Economist
    3f53
    

    Also, is it easy to publish in Management Science or Marketing Science while a PhD student?

    You have some years of corporate work experience under your belt? Most PhD marketing students have years of work experiences.

    Seems like doing a PhD in marketing is a better option. One thing I was thinking of is to simply load up on econ classes, if you're concerned about the "advantages" IO folks have.

    One of my main concern is that would one not being able to fit in well in business school phd marketing programs with little to no work experience? And would no work experience put one in research disadvantage for marketing problems? I see most phd marketing students got some corporate experience and this puts them give a better feel of how to do research in business/marketing problems? And personally, I surmise that doing business/marketing research without work experience is like trying to understand business from the ivory tower and you may not know what you are talking about. It's just like doing phd in management without any work experience. Correct me if i am wrong.
    I know Econ phd is more aspie and more mathurbation, and so no work exp is perfectly fine, and actually for Econ, the more math the better.
    I am posting all these because I am interested to do IO and thinking whether phd marketing would be better than doing IO in phd Econ.
    

    7 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

18. Economist
    2d84
    

    It's not easy, but it is possible. And if you're at a good school it is expected that you will try. There are about 5-10 quant marketing students on the market each year who have a pub in one of those. Hopefully you'll have at least an R&R by the time you hit the market.

    Also, is it easy to publish in Management Science or Marketing Science while a PhD student?

    You have some years of corporate work experience under your belt? Most PhD marketing students have years of work experiences.

    Seems like doing a PhD in marketing is a better option. One thing I was thinking of is to simply load up on econ classes, if you're concerned about the "advantages" IO folks have.

    One of my main concern is that would one not being able to fit in well in business school phd marketing programs with little to no work experience? And would no work experience put one in research disadvantage for marketing problems? I see most phd marketing students got some corporate experience and this puts them give a better feel of how to do research in business/marketing problems? And personally, I surmise that doing business/marketing research without work experience is like trying to understand business from the ivory tower and you may not know what you are talking about. It's just like doing phd in management without any work experience. Correct me if i am wrong.
    I know Econ phd is more aspie and more mathurbation, and so no work exp is perfectly fine, and actually for Econ, the more math the better.
    I am posting all these because I am interested to do IO and thinking whether phd marketing would be better than doing IO in phd Econ.

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19. Economist
    40a7
    

    There are 5-10 quant students every year who will have a Man Sci or Mark sci? What are you smoking? It is no more than 1-2 quants in a good year. Under review perhaps but again even second round means little in business journals.

    That is why the Penn guy did well. He had a nice pub coming out and R&Rs.

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20. Economist
    dc18
    

    In an average year, only 5-10 CB candidates can have a first author JCR or JMR and 0-3 quant/strategy candidates have a fMkt Science/Man Science/JMR

    7 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

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