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List all countries that have been nuclear bombed by other countries here.
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The Russians ended the war. The Japanese didn't give two s**ts about the nukes. They saw the Russians started their invasion and surrendered to the US in a day because they rather be occupied by the Americans than Russians.
Even the week of the nuclear blasts, 3-4 other cities had seen worse destruction than Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Japan bombed by USA. Ended worst war in history.
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lol just lol at american history textbooks
You realize both Eisenhower and Truman stated on record that they realized the nukes weren't necessary for Japan's surrender, that the emperor and cabinet both endorsed surrendering before both nukes, and that post-war analysis showed that Japan already decided to unconditionally surrender after the 1st nuke and Russian invasion?
American pre-college education is such a joke.
Japan bombed by USA. Ended worst war in history.
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When Chinabros want to complain about Japan's historical revisionism, just remember that 90% of Americans believe the blatant lie that the nukes which killed 300,000 civilians made Japan surrender and saved millions of lives.
Every country's history textbooks contain absurdly false statements by historiographic standards. That's what happens when the education sector's low salaries select for the dumbest university graduates of society.
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lol just lol at american history textbooks
You realize both Eisenhower and Truman stated on record that they realized the nukes weren't necessary for Japan's surrender, that the emperor and cabinet both endorsed surrendering before both nukes, and that post-war analysis showed that Japan already decided to unconditionally surrender after the 1st nuke and Russian invasion?
American pre-college education is such a joke.Japan bombed by USA. Ended worst war in history.
Are you trying to make a point?
You should be embarrassed if this is what you believe.
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It is a damn straight fact that Hiroshima was chosen because it was relatively undamaged by US bombings and all the buildings were made of wood making the fire under nuclear strike the most atrocious ever.
Americans literally burned hundreds of thousands of non combatants both In Germany and Japan.
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You should be embarrassed if this is what you believe.
It's not about belief, s**tface, it's about knowledge of basic f**king historical facts.
"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."
- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380
"...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."
- Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63
"...the Japanese were prepared to negotiate all the way from February 1945...up to and before the time the atomic bombs were dropped; ...if such leads had been followed up, there would have been no occasion to drop the [atomic] bombs."
- Herbart Hoover, quoted by Barton Bernstein in Philip Nobile, ed., Judgment at the Smithsonian, pg. 142
In early May of 1946 Hoover met with General Douglas MacArthur. Hoover recorded in his diary, "I told MacArthur of my memorandum of mid-May 1945 to Truman, that peace could be had with Japan by which our major objectives would be accomplished. MacArthur said that was correct and that we would have avoided all of the losses, the Atomic bomb, and the entry of Russia into Manchuria."
Gar Alperovitz, The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb, pg. 350-351.
Norman Cousins was a consultant to General MacArthur during the American occupation of Japan. Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, "MacArthur's views about the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were starkly different from what the general public supposed." He continues, "When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor."
Norman Cousins, The Pathology of Power, pg. 65, 70-71.
"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."
Paul Nitze, quoted in Barton Bernstein, The Atomic Bomb, pg. 52-56.
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"I thought that it would be a mistake to disclose the existence of the bomb to the world before the government had made up its mind about how to handle the situation after the war. Using the bomb certainly would disclose that the bomb existed." According to Szilard, Byrnes was not interested in international control: "Byrnes... was concerned about Russia's postwar behavior. Russian troops had moved into Hungary and Rumania, and Byrnes thought it would be very difficult to persuade Russia to withdraw her troops from these countries, that Russia might be more manageable if impressed by American military might, and that a demonstration of the bomb might impress Russia." Szilard could see that he wasn't getting though to Byrnes; "I was concerned at this point that by demonstrating the bomb and using it in the war against Japan, we might start an atomic arms race between America and Russia which might end with the destruction of both countries.".
Leo Szilard, key physicist in the Manhattan Project, quoted in Spencer Weart and Gertrud Weiss Szilard, ed., Leo Szilard: His Version of the Facts, pg. 184.
Two days later, Szilard met with J. Robert Oppenheimer, the head scientist in the Manhattan Project. "I told Oppenheimer that I thought it would be a very serious mistake to use the bomb against the cities of Japan. Oppenheimer didn't share my view." "'Well, said Oppenheimer, 'don't you think that if we tell the Russians what we intend to do and then use the bomb in Japan, the Russians will understand it?'. 'They'll understand it only too well,' Szilard replied, no doubt with Byrnes's intentions in mind."
Leo Szilard, quoted in Spencer Weart and Gertrud Weiss Szilard, ed., Leo Szilard: His Version of the Facts, pg. 185; also William Lanouette, Genius In the Shadows: A Biography of Leo Szilard, pg. 266-267.
But on July 26th, the U.S., Great Britain, and China publicly issued the Potsdam Proclamation demanding "unconditional surrender" from Japan. Zacharias later commented on the favorable Japanese response to his broadcast:
"But though we gained a victory, it was soon to be canceled out by the Potsdam Declaration and the way it was handled.
"Instead of being a diplomatic instrument, transmitted through regular diplomatic channels and giving the Japanese a chance to answer, it was put on the radio as a propaganda instrument pure and simple. The whole maneuver, in fact, completely disregarded all essential psychological factors dealing with Japan."
Zacharias continued, "The Potsdam Declaration, in short, wrecked everything we had been working for to prevent further bloodshed...
"Just when the Japanese were ready to capitulate, we went ahead and introduced to the world the most devastating weapon it had ever seen and, in effect, gave the go-ahead to Russia to swarm over Eastern Asia.
"Washington decided that Japan had been given its chance and now it was time to use the A-bomb.
"I submit that it was the wrong decision. It was wrong on strategic grounds. And it was wrong on humanitarian grounds."
Ellis Zacharias, Office of Naval Intelligence, How We Bungled the Japanese Surrender, Look, 6/6/50, pg. 19-21.
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Got your pre-college education in Japan?
lol just lol at american history textbooks
You realize both Eisenhower and Truman stated on record that they realized the nukes weren't necessary for Japan's surrender, that the emperor and cabinet both endorsed surrendering before both nukes, and that post-war analysis showed that Japan already decided to unconditionally surrender after the 1st nuke and Russian invasion?
American pre-college education is such a joke.Japan bombed by USA. Ended worst war in history.
Are you trying to make a point?
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You can read English? Read.
Got your pre-college education in Japan?
lol just lol at american history textbooks
You realize both Eisenhower and Truman stated on record that they realized the nukes weren't necessary for Japan's surrender, that the emperor and cabinet both endorsed surrendering before both nukes, and that post-war analysis showed that Japan already decided to unconditionally surrender after the 1st nuke and Russian invasion?
American pre-college education is such a joke.Japan bombed by USA. Ended worst war in history.
Are you trying to make a point?
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You should be embarrassed if this is what you believe.
It's not about belief, s**tface, it's about knowledge of basic f**king historical facts.
"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."
- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380
"...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."
- Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63
"...the Japanese were prepared to negotiate all the way from February 1945...up to and before the time the atomic bombs were dropped; ...if such leads had been followed up, there would have been no occasion to drop the [atomic] bombs."
- Herbart Hoover, quoted by Barton Bernstein in Philip Nobile, ed., Judgment at the Smithsonian, pg. 142
In early May of 1946 Hoover met with General Douglas MacArthur. Hoover recorded in his diary, "I told MacArthur of my memorandum of mid-May 1945 to Truman, that peace could be had with Japan by which our major objectives would be accomplished. MacArthur said that was correct and that we would have avoided all of the losses, the Atomic bomb, and the entry of Russia into Manchuria."
Gar Alperovitz, The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb, pg. 350-351.
Norman Cousins was a consultant to General MacArthur during the American occupation of Japan. Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, "MacArthur's views about the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were starkly different from what the general public supposed." He continues, "When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor."
Norman Cousins, The Pathology of Power, pg. 65, 70-71.
"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."
Paul Nitze, quoted in Barton Bernstein, The Atomic Bomb, pg. 52-56.It's fun to take a bunch of quotes out of context and rewrite history. However, it's not true that they dropped the bomb after they decided it wouldn't be necessary. That's a straight up lie.
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Americans are funny. They learn in school that it's correct to nuke Japanese civilians as a demonstration of military prowess to the Soviets, but they also learn in school that the Soviet Union isn't that bad and capitalism is worse.
The Japanese acted like savages in that war. Their war crimes are far worse than anything the US has done. I don't see any reason as to why allies should have had to risk even one more life when they could finally end the war in one day.