I told you all about this earlier but you thought I was making it up. I was not:
https://twitter.com/LSEEcon/status/1172141315171241986
Other top places in Europe are doing the same. So you better start booking for your trip to Rotterdam.
LSE only interviewing in Rotterdam, not at ASSA
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Haha, the econ job market is screwed now because 'muh feelingz when i interview at a hotel room' LMAOOO
Probably, coordinating and moving to a european meeting was a logical choice anyway (at least for the non-top euro dept.), but the unhinged behavior of the most lub of the AEA higher-echelons played a role too.
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Any insiders know why? This seems like a crazy decision - when I was on the market, I interviewed with a handful of good European schools. The job market is international for a school like LSE, the cost of having interviews in San Diego is trivial given that there are going to be LSE faculty presenting at AEA anyway, and the cost to candidates of a bifurcated job market is enormous. This is like Toronto only interviewing at CES because they care more about the costly signal of candidates than the fact that 95% of their past hires would not have applied.
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I think the idea is that if a critical mass of good European universities interview at the EEA only then it will certainly worthwhile for any candidate that actually would consider to move to Europe to fly over. So no need to interview the ones that apply to improve their bargaining position.
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It is not just the LSE. All the top departments in Europe have pulled out of the ASSA:
https://twitter.com/ProfJAParker/status/1172187833005686784Jesus Christ. If that is really true, then effectively every candidate will go to both job markets. There will therefore be no signaling value, but we will be making our students incur another $2000 of expenses for literally no reason. This is infuriating to me - absolutely no respect for the time and money of my already stressed out during the market students.
The alternative, if the goal is to create a pan European market that replaces the earlier national ones.... Is just to interview at both! The overlap of candidates LSE or Toulouse or Oxford should hire and those who won't go to AEA is zero, so it doesn't matter at all for those folks. For, say, Copenhagen, it may help on the margin to let them see some within Europe candidates, but that's it.
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Well, to be fair, the AEA has been royally f**king up to weird extremes so its only natural that other regions of the world to tell the AEA to f**k off. China already organizes their own job market thing and it is shaping up to be an asian job market thing.
If anyone every tries to claim that this is bad for candidates then the natural solution is to start pre-screening through skype and then moving on from there.
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Call the waaaahbulance.
Or we can just drop the freak show of Philly snow storms, 0F, bad coffee and decrepit airports and have one market in civilized Europe.
Now you get on the plane on New year's Eve reviewing job market files infuriated m0f0
It is not just the LSE. All the top departments in Europe have pulled out of the ASSA:
https://twitter.com/ProfJAParker/status/1172187833005686784Jesus Christ. If that is really true, then effectively every candidate will go to both job markets. There will therefore be no signaling value, but we will be making our students incur another $2000 of expenses for literally no reason. This is infuriating to me - absolutely no respect for the time and money of my already stressed out during the market students.
The alternative, if the goal is to create a pan European market that replaces the earlier national ones.... Is just to interview at both! The overlap of candidates LSE or Toulouse or Oxford should hire and those who won't go to AEA is zero, so it doesn't matter at all for those folks. For, say, Copenhagen, it may help on the margin to let them see some within Europe candidates, but that's it. -
Well, to be fair, the AEA has been royally f**king up to weird extremes so its only natural that other regions of the world to tell the AEA to f**k off. China already organizes their own job market thing and it is shaping up to be an asian job market thing.
If anyone every tries to claim that this is bad for candidates then the natural solution is to start pre-screening through skype and then moving on from there.What are the AEA f**k ups, besides banning the hotel rooms that you love so much?
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Any insiders know why? This seems like a crazy decision - when I was on the market, I interviewed with a handful of good European schools. The job market is international for a school like LSE, the cost of having interviews in San Diego is trivial given that there are going to be LSE faculty presenting at AEA anyway, and the cost to candidates of a bifurcated job market is enormous. This is like Toronto only interviewing at CES because they care more about the costly signal of candidates than the fact that 95% of their past hires would not have applied.
European schools are tired of the time wasters from the US who claim to be highly interested in the jobs in Europe in the interviews and flyouts, but can't stop laughing their axxes off when they get that offer, declaring there is no way on earth they`d take it.
Now those claiming high interest in jobs in Europe have to prove it by coming to EJM. -
It is not just the LSE. All the top departments in Europe have pulled out of the ASSA:
https://twitter.com/ProfJAParker/status/1172187833005686784Jesus Christ. If that is really true, then effectively every candidate will go to both job markets. There will therefore be no signaling value, but we will be making our students incur another $2000 of expenses for literally no reason. This is infuriating to me - absolutely no respect for the time and money of my already stressed out during the market students.
The alternative, if the goal is to create a pan European market that replaces the earlier national ones.... Is just to interview at both! The overlap of candidates LSE or Toulouse or Oxford should hire and those who won't go to AEA is zero, so it doesn't matter at all for those folks. For, say, Copenhagen, it may help on the margin to let them see some within Europe candidates, but that's it.Actually you are wrong. Majority of JMCs from European schools want a job in Europe, and will only go to EJM. Also a respectable number of Europeans with PhDs from US institutions want to move back, and again they will only interview at EJM.
It actually saves time and money to those JMCs who do not want jobs in US or China (yes, Chinese schools will still interview at ASSA). -
1) Believing that interviewing with your school in Rotterdam is a stronger signal of interest than *actually coming on a flyout* is nuts.
2) Look at the hires at Toulouse or LSE or UCL or CREI, etc., the last few years. Tell me how many of those people only interviewed in Europe. I'm sure Iowa also wants a signal that someone would take their job, but their modal hire is someone for whom the job is decent, who didn't get a better offer. This is the same for somewhere like LSE or CREI! I'm an American working abroad, and I'm here because the job was better than the other offers I had (across three continents). "Top" places in Europe should credibly be able to hire top international candidates - if they can't, the problem is on their end, not the job market's.
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We don't give a $hit about your "international market". We are the international market and so what if we want to have it here rather than in some god awful American 70s wasteland. You either come here and do your same interview or stay out. Capisce?
1) Believing that interviewing with your school in Rotterdam is a stronger signal of interest than *actually coming on a flyout* is nuts.
2) Look at the hires at Toulouse or LSE or UCL or CREI, etc., the last few years. Tell me how many of those people only interviewed in Europe. I'm sure Iowa also wants a signal that someone would take their job, but their modal hire is someone for whom the job is decent, who didn't get a better offer. This is the same for somewhere like LSE or CREI! I'm an American working abroad, and I'm here because the job was better than the other offers I had (across three continents). "Top" places in Europe should credibly be able to hire top international candidates - if they can't, the problem is on their end, not the job market's.