Boston >>>> Ann arbor
Malenkos to BC
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Boston >>>> Ann arbor
Agree but they don't care that much about that. If anything they seem to have a slight preference for a smaller, cheaper city
We know that AM & NM preferred Michigan on all the *hard* information. They originally chose Michigan over because:
-- Higher salary
-- Cheaper city/lower COL
-- Better MBA programWe now know that there must be a lot of *soft* information that made them come back so quickly after only 1.5 years. Maybe:
-- Ross Finance is a complete sh!t show
-- BC Finance is a really friendly groupWe don't know what we don't know. But we can speculate.
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As much as I like my colleagues, I wouldn't move my whole family back and forth across the US twice within two years just because of "friendlier colleagues". Instead, I would do so if I really hated the department I'm fleeing
Boston >>>> Ann arbor
Agree but they don't care that much about that. If anything they seem to have a slight preference for a smaller, cheaper city
We know that AM & NM preferred Michigan on all the *hard* information. They originally chose Michigan over because:
-- Higher salary
-- Cheaper city/lower COL
-- Better MBA program
We now know that there must be a lot of *soft* information that made them come back so quickly after only 1.5 years. Maybe:
-- Ross Finance is a complete sh!t show
-- BC Finance is a really friendly group
We don't know what we don't know. But we can speculate. -
Whatever the issues, they must be major, humongous issues. Otherwise, they would have not left so soon and to move back to a place they had decided to leave just less than two years earlier.
Did NM/AM hit against the same wall that made TW stop being involved in the department? Mix of Dean’s office and nasty finance faculty like AP, UR etc?
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Specialty Rankings
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Dude, just stop. USNews is about undergrads. It has absolutely nothing to do with the academic quality of the researchers.
There is no one in academic finance who thinks that Ross Finance is a top-10 school. The following schools are all strictly better, and everyone who's actually a finance academic (and not a basement dwelling undergrad) would agree on that.
Chicago, Stanford, Wharton, Kellogg, Berkeley, HBS, MIT, Princeton, Yale, NYU, Columbia >>>>>>>>>>> Michigan Ross
it's funny, on EJMR everyone says Ross Finance is total sheet. Top 50.
And then USNews ranks them 9th based on an academic reputation survey. Who are they surveying? -
Dude, just stop. USNews is about undergrads. It has absolutely nothing to do with the academic quality of the researchers.
There is no one in academic finance who thinks that Ross Finance is a top-10 school. The following schools are all strictly better, and everyone who's actually a finance academic (and not a basement dwelling undergrad) would agree on that.
Chicago, Stanford, Wharton, Kellogg, Berkeley, HBS, MIT, Princeton, Yale, NYU, Columbia >>>>>>>>>>> Michigan Rossit's funny, on EJMR everyone says Ross Finance is total sheet. Top 50.
And then USNews ranks them 9th based on an academic reputation survey. Who are they surveying?
It doesn't work that way. You can't boost the U.S. News rankings when you like them. And call them bullsht when you don't.
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https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/finance-rankings
"Best Graduate Schools"
2023 Best Finance MBA Programs
Ranked in 2022, part of Best Business Schools1. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
2. University of Chicago (Booth)
3. New York University (Stern)
4. Columbia University
5. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan)
6. Stanford University
7. Harvard University
8. University of California, Berkeley (Haas)
9. University of Michigan--Ann Arbor (Ross)
10. University of California--Los Angeles (Anderson) -
If Michigan Ross is now left with AP, UR, and PP plus 2-3 juniors, you can add a whole list of other schools that are strictly better than them. Being better than three researchers from the middle of the pack does not take much.
Places like UCLA, USC, UT Austin, WashU Olin, OSU, BC, Cornell, and many others that just don’t come to my mind are all much better than a department made of those three seniors and a couple of juniors.
Dude, just stop. USNews is about undergrads. It has absolutely nothing to do with the academic quality of the researchers.
There is no one in academic finance who thinks that Ross Finance is a top-10 school. The following schools are all strictly better, and everyone who's actually a finance academic (and not a basement dwelling undergrad) would agree on that.
Chicago, Stanford, Wharton, Kellogg, Berkeley, HBS, MIT, Princeton, Yale, NYU, Columbia >>>>>>>>>>> Michigan Rossit's funny, on EJMR everyone says Ross Finance is total sheet. Top 50.
And then USNews ranks them 9th based on an academic reputation survey. Who are they surveying?
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Agree. Michigan Ross is Top-50, at best!
If Michigan Ross is now left with AP, UR, and PP plus 2-3 juniors, you can add a whole list of other schools that are strictly better than them. Being better than three researchers from the middle of the pack does not take much.
Places like UCLA, USC, UT Austin, WashU Olin, OSU, BC, Cornell, and many others that just don’t come to my mind are all much better than a department made of those three seniors and a couple of juniors.Dude, just stop. USNews is about undergrads. It has absolutely nothing to do with the academic quality of the researchers.
There is no one in academic finance who thinks that Ross Finance is a top-10 school. The following schools are all strictly better, and everyone who's actually a finance academic (and not a basement dwelling undergrad) would agree on that.
Chicago, Stanford, Wharton, Kellogg, Berkeley, HBS, MIT, Princeton, Yale, NYU, Columbia >>>>>>>>>>> Michigan Rossit's funny, on EJMR everyone says Ross Finance is total sheet. Top 50.
And then USNews ranks them 9th based on an academic reputation survey. Who are they surveying?
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Yeah. Arguably could include Duke, Illinois, Maryland, UNC, UW, ASU, Utah, Rice, Dartmouth, Emory... Some of these are debatable but your point is correct.
If Michigan Ross is now left with AP, UR, and PP plus 2-3 juniors, you can add a whole list of other schools that are strictly better than them. Being better than three researchers from the middle of the pack does not take much.
Places like UCLA, USC, UT Austin, WashU Olin, OSU, BC, Cornell, and many others that just don’t come to my mind are all much better than a department made of those three seniors and a couple of juniors.Dude, just stop. USNews is about undergrads. It has absolutely nothing to do with the academic quality of the researchers.
There is no one in academic finance who thinks that Ross Finance is a top-10 school. The following schools are all strictly better, and everyone who's actually a finance academic (and not a basement dwelling undergrad) would agree on that.
Chicago, Stanford, Wharton, Kellogg, Berkeley, HBS, MIT, Princeton, Yale, NYU, Columbia >>>>>>>>>>> Michigan Rossit's funny, on EJMR everyone says Ross Finance is total sheet. Top 50.
And then USNews ranks them 9th based on an academic reputation survey. Who are they surveying?