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Official Accounting JM Thread 2022
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do ppl read papers anymore? maybe LRMs are just counting machines when it comes to hiring. But top places read papers.
I don't care if you have 3 JAEs ... auditor face width and accruals; auditor face width and audit fees; and audit face width and investment... it isn't going to cut it.
Publications aren't marathon trophies you display in your glass case. They have content. And it is important to read papers to understand their value.I care you don't care about people with papers and I don't have one. Hire me and f/u/c/k the school, why you need to hire someone with an accounting PhD program, btw? If you have a pub and that's not just an RA job of your faculty at your school, instead, you started it and worked on it than you must have read papers, of course!
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You look at the quality of their JMPs. Weak JMPs and a lot of co-authored papers with senior people is a clear sign of a glorified RA, regardless of what the letter says.
The above is not true, at leat not always. The RA means Research Assistant and we all did RA work when during the program and got paid for that. If that work gives us the "right" to put our name in the paper as an coauthor that's fine too but you will be a glorified RA and that work should be discounted for placement purposes. We have always done that in our school. On the other hand if you have a research idea and have presented your work at your school that is a different story. Of course you would need coauthors to develop the paper especially if you want to publish to an A journal.
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second this. I am not impressed by the JMP of some of these people on the list.
You look at the quality of their JMPs. Weak JMPs and a lot of co-authored papers with senior people is a clear sign of a glorified RA, regardless of what the letter says.
These are the stars of this year.
LB - Emory University - TAR
EB - University of Kentucky - TAR
JC - Emory University - JAE
MP - University of Miami - TAR
DS - University of Wisconsin-Madison - TAR
RF - TAMU - TAR
MZ - University of Toronto - TAR
Who have ever published a solo authored paper to and A journal while still a PhD student? Of course you need coauthors. The important thing is you are not just an RA. If you had the idea and worked on the paper than do not f..king listen to g/a/r/b/a/g/e/ lo/se/rs like this one below.
Coauthors: Knechel, Kadous, Carter, Leone, Donelson… yep looks like these ones contributedWhen candidates are on the job market, faculty can easily get a sense of which students made substantial contributions to a paper. Can they discuss the paper intelligently? Can they describe the fundamental motivation/contribution rather than just the analyses?
And in most schools there isn't that much weight put on these publications anyway. The papers co-authored with your advisor in the PhD program are discounted (to some extent) in tenure letters, so they're also discounted in the hiring process. One of the biggest positives of a PhD student with publications is that they've at least been through the review process, seen review reports, worked on response memos, etc., so it's not going to be an entirely foreign concept to them once they transition to faculty.If I have to agree with you, how do you decide about a certain candidate if you don't interview? I guess you would say you don't know, there is n o way to know. Then, why do you pick those from "top" schools or even glorious RAs?
I have a real example. Some famous professor is invited to a very "prestigious" school to present a paper about smth very trendy in accounting but with weak results, no contribution and very small data sample. Meanwhile, a jmc is conducting a very similar research with a very large data sample have different results but who doesn't get a job interview at the same university which invited the famous professor to represent his garbage paper. -
Because they spent most of their time until the fourth year working on coauthored papers with seniors and had their first draft out at the end of the summer before the job market?
second this. I am not impressed by the JMP of some of these people on the list.
You look at the quality of their JMPs. Weak JMPs and a lot of co-authored papers with senior people is a clear sign of a glorified RA, regardless of what the letter says.
These are the stars of this year.
LB - Emory University - TAR
EB - University of Kentucky - TAR
JC - Emory University - JAE
MP - University of Miami - TAR
DS - University of Wisconsin-Madison - TAR
RF - TAMU - TAR
MZ - University of Toronto - TAR
Who have ever published a solo authored paper to and A journal while still a PhD student? Of course you need coauthors. The important thing is you are not just an RA. If you had the idea and worked on the paper than do not f..king listen to g/a/r/b/a/g/e/ lo/se/rs like this one below.
Coauthors: Knechel, Kadous, Carter, Leone, Donelson… yep looks like these ones contributedIf I have to agree with you, how do you decide about a certain candidate if you don't interview? I guess you would say you don't know, there is n o way to know. Then, why do you pick those from "top" schools or even glorious RAs?
I have a real example. Some famous professor is invited to a very "prestigious" school to present a paper about smth very trendy in accounting but with weak results, no contribution and very small data sample. Meanwhile, a jmc is conducting a very similar research with a very large data sample have different results but who doesn't get a job interview at the same university which invited the famous professor to represent his garbage paper. -
second this. I am not impressed by the JMP of some of these people on the list.
You look at the quality of their JMPs. Weak JMPs and a lot of co-authored papers with senior people is a clear sign of a glorified RA, regardless of what the letter says.
These are the stars of this year.
LB - Emory University - TAR
EB - University of Kentucky - TAR
JC - Emory University - JAE
MP - University of Miami - TAR
DS - University of Wisconsin-Madison - TAR
RF - TAMU - TAR
MZ - University of Toronto - TARname names. Which one aren't impressive and which ones aren't?
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Those here bad mouthing JMCs with published co-authored papers are very sinical! Tell me who at PhD level gets work published without co-authors these days? Who? If a JMC has no RRs/Pubs their application go down the list, if so, they are glorified RAs. That's hypocrisy at its best form. I hope this view is just voiced by angry m.f. and not a reflection of the hiring system.
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Those here bad mouthing JMCs with published co-authored papers are very sinical! Tell me who at PhD level gets work published without co-authors these days? Who? If a JMC has no RRs/Pubs their application go down the list, if so, they are glorified RAs. That's hypocrisy at its best form. I hope this view is just voiced by angry m.f. and not a reflection of the hiring system.
Exactly. Hiring is a cesspool of connections.
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Those here bad mouthing JMCs with published co-authored papers are very sinical! Tell me who at PhD level gets work published without co-authors these days? Who? If a JMC has no RRs/Pubs their application go down the list, if so, they are glorified RAs. That's hypocrisy at its best form. I hope this view is just voiced by angry m.f. and not a reflection of the hiring system.
Exactly. Hiring is a cesspool of connections.
And DEI initiatives
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Those here bad mouthing JMCs with published co-authored papers are very sinical! Tell me who at PhD level gets work published without co-authors these days? Who? If a JMC has no RRs/Pubs their application go down the list, if so, they are glorified RAs. That's hypocrisy at its best form. I hope this view is just voiced by angry m.f. and not a reflection of the hiring system.
there are a few JMCs with solo authored R&R (TAR,JAR,JAE) tho
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That is why quality of jmp is most important. We read papers, not just counting.
Those here bad mouthing JMCs with published co-authored papers are very sinical! Tell me who at PhD level gets work published without co-authors these days? Who? If a JMC has no RRs/Pubs their application go down the list, if so, they are glorified RAs. That's hypocrisy at its best form. I hope this view is just voiced by angry m.f. and not a reflection of the hiring system.
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It’s not badmouthing any candidate. We’d rather hire a candidate with a good pipeline and a solid jmp (regardless of R&R) than a candidate with R&Rs and pubs with their senior faculty but a weak dissertation. Besides that, presentation is what matters most. A candidate who knows how to write a good dissertation and present well knows how to do research. The same cannot necessarily be said about a candidate that piggybacks on the shoulders of seniors
Those here bad mouthing JMCs with published co-authored papers are very sinical! Tell me who at PhD level gets work published without co-authors these days? Who? If a JMC has no RRs/Pubs their application go down the list, if so, they are glorified RAs. That's hypocrisy at its best form. I hope this view is just voiced by angry m.f. and not a reflection of the hiring system.
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How many DEI candidates have you hired at your school?
Those here bad mouthing JMCs with published co-authored papers are very sinical! Tell me who at PhD level gets work published without co-authors these days? Who? If a JMC has no RRs/Pubs their application go down the list, if so, they are glorified RAs. That's hypocrisy at its best form. I hope this view is just voiced by angry m.f. and not a reflection of the hiring system.
Exactly. Hiring is a cesspool of connections.
And DEI initiatives
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How many DEI candidates have you hired at your school?
It's about what it takes to get hired at a good school. There is almost no way to overcome this bias with research and teaching record. An AA candidate will almost always be hired over better qualified non-AA candidates.
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It’s not badmouthing any candidate. We’d rather hire a candidate with a good pipeline and a solid jmp (regardless of R&R) than a candidate with R&Rs and pubs with their senior faculty but a weak dissertation. Besides that, presentation is what matters most. A candidate who knows how to write a good dissertation and present well knows how to do research. The same cannot necessarily be said about a candidate that piggybacks on the shoulders of seniors
Those here bad mouthing JMCs with published co-authored papers are very sinical! Tell me who at PhD level gets work published without co-authors these days? Who? If a JMC has no RRs/Pubs their application go down the list, if so, they are glorified RAs. That's hypocrisy at its best form. I hope this view is just voiced by angry m.f. and not a reflection of the hiring system.
Who from the list did you read the JMP? Whose JMP you didn't like? Generalizing brings you nowhere! If your work in a paper is not just cleaning data than you know $hIt about it and should be discarded, otherwise you are a very solid candidate and much much better than all "prestigious" ones. Period
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weird, I personally like people who will publish. Very few seniors I know (although there are a few whose papers are easy to throw out) are willing to give coauthorship when it’s inappropriate. I look at the informative signal (what they will do over the course of their career by being able to work with other people) as opposed to their one solo-authored paper.
Take a look at the top people at places like MIT, Wharton and Stanford over the last ten or twenty years and you might be surprised how many never published their dissertation. It’s not as overwhelming as people make it out to be here.
It’s not badmouthing any candidate. We’d rather hire a candidate with a good pipeline and a solid jmp (regardless of R&R) than a candidate with R&Rs and pubs with their senior faculty but a weak dissertation. Besides that, presentation is what matters most. A candidate who knows how to write a good dissertation and present well knows how to do research. The same cannot necessarily be said about a candidate that piggybacks on the shoulders of seniors
Those here bad mouthing JMCs with published co-authored papers are very sinical! Tell me who at PhD level gets work published without co-authors these days? Who? If a JMC has no RRs/Pubs their application go down the list, if so, they are glorified RAs. That's hypocrisy at its best form. I hope this view is just voiced by angry m.f. and not a reflection of the hiring system.