Were there 170 candidates this year? Did 110 get jobs?
Trying to understand the previous discussion.
Yes, some of them did not get presentation slot.
Official Accounting JM Thread 2022
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I get your point. Ironically, you call irrelevant the same factors that have been using to deny employment to some people. Now that some segments of society are asking us to stop the discrimination and the network influence scheme, some individuals are complaining that people are being hired based on irrelevant factors. What is a relevant factor? Network?
A majority of candidates that haven't gotten jobs yet are international. In a tight market, those that require extra effort (i.e. visas) are gonna struggle.
Would a university really hire a worse candidate just because of a visa? Sounds unlikely to me.
they already hire worse candidates because irrelevant factors.
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Were there 170 candidates this year? Did 110 get jobs?
Trying to understand the previous discussion.Yes, some of them did not get presentation slot.
That did not matter much in this market.
Bros, what is the salary range at the places these rookies went to?
I guess most people got jobs that pay less than 150K.
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Can we talk about how damn slow TAR has become? I know COVID is part of it, but JAR/JAE/RAST haven't slowed down nearly to this extent.
How long do they take these days?
5-8 months seems to have become the norm.
JAR/JAE/RAST still manage to turn things around in 2-4 months generally, and in JAE's case often less than that.
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I get your point. Ironically, you call irrelevant the same factors that have been using to deny employment to some people. Now that some segments of society are asking us to stop the discrimination and the network influence scheme, some individuals are complaining that people are being hired based on irrelevant factors. What is a relevant factor? Network?
A majority of candidates that haven't gotten jobs yet are international. In a tight market, those that require extra effort (i.e. visas) are gonna struggle.
Would a university really hire a worse candidate just because of a visa? Sounds unlikely to me.
they already hire worse candidates because irrelevant factors.
...hiring some from HRM with no research history over LRM with research history is evidently the biggest error some universities are doing, and there is a big price this system is paying already.
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Very normal in Europe though (most schools even pay less, like 70-80k)
I guess most people got jobs that pay less than 150K.
For the US this seems very low
150K is what balanced-to-teaching schools pay. Those are the kinds of schools that pre-market students like you think are beneath them, and the kinds of schools that you ask if they're still hiring in January when you're on the market.
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I think most research schools prefer people with solid prospects of publishing multiple articles in top 3 journals. We also want them to be a decent teacher. Hiring is costly in terms of our time and energy (faculty effort). The odds of any single junior being successful after 6 years is quite low. We want to maximize those odds so that our effort is not wasted. Of course it easier to blame the lack of job in this tough market on biases rather than poor letters, uninteresting JMP, poor first round interviews, or weak job talks. The market was brutal this year. The cost to virtual interviews was low, so we interviewed more people than normal. I was shocked at how many people were completely unprepared for interviews and questions in job talks.
You increased your the breadth of search and are surprised to find the average candidate is weaker than in prior years? Do you understand the relative characteristics of the marginal candidate? My guess is you are a pretty standard 45+ accounting prof...you go in with an 80th percentile math score and succeeded in a weaker field, built valuable connections, and now think you are smarter than the 99/99 near-genius you are interviewing.
I think you are deliberately missing the point. Nowhere does it say anything about a surprise in the drop of average quality. Arguably, our median quality job talk was of higher quality due to the tightness in the market. Instead the point was about the preparation for the job talk and not about the quality of the dissertation/work. Granted these might be correlated. But the broader point was about the general lack of preparation this year relative to prior years. Perhaps it is because of less interaction with other phd students and faculty due to covid, or because of the nature of zoom interviews versus in person talks, or due to greater nerves from a tight job market. You can try and insult people for pointing out a lack of preparation, even without knowing the facts, but that doesn't really change the underlying issues.
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150K is what balanced-to-teaching schools pay. Those are the kinds of schools that pre-market students like you think are beneath them, and the kinds of schools that you ask if they're still hiring in January when you're on the market.
I didn't say that 150K is beneath me. I'm just curious about the current salary range after graduation. Is 150K the total compensation including summer support (i.e. 2/9)?
If so, 150K seems low for a person who has spent 5 years doing a Ph.D.in a business field, who will potentially be sent to an arbitrary remote geographic place, and who commits his life to a career with few outside options. -
For whatever reason, people usually quote 9-month salaries. Probably because summer support varies by school too much, especially as you move down from research schools.
150K is what balanced-to-teaching schools pay. Those are the kinds of schools that pre-market students like you think are beneath them, and the kinds of schools that you ask if they're still hiring in January when you're on the market.
I didn't say that 150K is beneath me. I'm just curious about the current salary range after graduation. Is 150K the total compensation including summer support (i.e. 2/9)?
If so, 150K seems low for a person who has spent 5 years doing a Ph.D.in a business field, who will potentially be sent to an arbitrary remote geographic place, and who commits his life to a career with few outside options. -
150K is what balanced-to-teaching schools pay. Those are the kinds of schools that pre-market students like you think are beneath them, and the kinds of schools that you ask if they're still hiring in January when you're on the market.
I didn't say that 150K is beneath me. I'm just curious about the current salary range after graduation. Is 150K the total compensation including summer support (i.e. 2/9)?
If so, 150K seems low for a person who has spent 5 years doing a Ph.D.in a business field, who will potentially be sent to an arbitrary remote geographic place, and who commits his life to a career with few outside options.150K is a typical total compensation for a non-research school. You shouldn't expect 2/9 summer support at these places, and 150K may even be too high for some teaching schools.
If you think 150K "seems low for a person who has spent 5 years doing a Ph.D.in a business field," you should look up what the salaries at research schools are for the business fields outside of accounting and finance. Like organizational behavior or operations management. Then ask yourself again whether 150K "seems low" for an accounting PhD.
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150K is what balanced-to-teaching schools pay. Those are the kinds of schools that pre-market students like you think are beneath them, and the kinds of schools that you ask if they're still hiring in January when you're on the market.
I didn't say that 150K is beneath me. I'm just curious about the current salary range after graduation. Is 150K the total compensation including summer support (i.e. 2/9)?
If so, 150K seems low for a person who has spent 5 years doing a Ph.D.in a business field, who will potentially be sent to an arbitrary remote geographic place, and who commits his life to a career with few outside options.150K is a typical total compensation for a non-research school. You shouldn't expect 2/9 summer support at these places, and 150K may even be too high for some teaching schools.
If you think 150K "seems low for a person who has spent 5 years doing a Ph.D.in a business field," you should look up what the salaries at research schools are for the business fields outside of accounting and finance. Like organizational behavior or operations management. Then ask yourself again whether 150K "seems low" for an accounting PhD.150K is low and it's the best you can hope for at a teaching school.