possible to get into Big Four with PhD?
What do you expect to do at a Big Four?
Official Accounting JM Thread 2022
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JAE editors commission a methodological survey paper written by powerful missionaries that evangelizes how to conduct QNEs on Friday and then they all smile smugly as a young JAE disciple presents his paper on Saturday violating almost every commandment.
Did we attend the same conference? Admittedly you have to read 100 pages to see that the msg was most QNEs are trash, so not surprised EJMR got it wrong.
I did not attend. I watched the live feed.
Did you attend both days of the conference or just Friday? The message of the paper is that most QNEs are trash . . . but that won’t stop the same journal editors and the same authors from continuing to R&R/publish that trash especially if its authored by a JAE school alum . . . as evidenced by the QNE presented the very next day.
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JAE editors commission a methodological survey paper written by powerful missionaries that evangelizes how to conduct QNEs on Friday and then they all smile smugly as a young JAE disciple presents his paper on Saturday violating almost every commandment.
Did we attend the same conference? Admittedly you have to read 100 pages to see that the msg was most QNEs are trash, so not surprised EJMR got it wrong.
I did not attend. I watched the live feed.
Did you attend both days of the conference or just Friday? The message of the paper is that most QNEs are trash . . . but that won’t stop the same journal editors and the same authors from continuing to R&R/publish that trash especially if its authored by a JAE school alum . . . as evidenced by the QNE presented the very next day.JAE conference was a joke, all about getting their alumni some exposure, accounting is a corrupted place.
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MRM job market candidate here. If I don't have any R&Rs, what are my chances of landing a job at a top 30-40 school in the US? Should I apply to schools in Europe and Asia?
80 participants and 30 recruiters in Madrid beginning of November. The answer lies not in Europe
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Not true. They have papers from EU.
JAE editors commission a methodological survey paper written by powerful missionaries that evangelizes how to conduct QNEs on Friday and then they all smile smugly as a young JAE disciple presents his paper on Saturday violating almost every commandment.
Did we attend the same conference? Admittedly you have to read 100 pages to see that the msg was most QNEs are trash, so not surprised EJMR got it wrong.
I did not attend. I watched the live feed.
Did you attend both days of the conference or just Friday? The message of the paper is that most QNEs are trash . . . but that won’t stop the same journal editors and the same authors from continuing to R&R/publish that trash especially if its authored by a JAE school alum . . . as evidenced by the QNE presented the very next day.JAE conference was a joke, all about getting their alumni some exposure, accounting is a corrupted place.
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MRM job market candidate here. If I don't have any R&Rs, what are my chances of landing a job at a top 30-40 school in the US? Should I apply to schools in Europe and Asia?
80 participants and 30 recruiters in Madrid beginning of November. The answer lies not in Europe
suddenly you wants to keep the students in the us? What a joke. there are so many faceless clowns in this profession.
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Just stating facts
MRM job market candidate here. If I don't have any R&Rs, what are my chances of landing a job at a top 30-40 school in the US? Should I apply to schools in Europe and Asia?
80 participants and 30 recruiters in Madrid beginning of November. The answer lies not in Europe
suddenly you wants to keep the students in the us? What a joke. there are so many faceless clowns in this profession.
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will JFR or Horizons help, at the margin, on the job market?
Depends on who it's written with and whether it indicates a potential pipeline with that coauthor set that can hit across journals. JFR, for example, has published stuff from people who hit all the top journals. So one potential signal is that they are willing to write with you. Some JFR citations are high too. Horizons less so IMO. As part of a portfolio, it c work. it also depends on the taste function of the gaining university and how important it is to publish N > x at TAR, JAE, JAR...
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will JFR or Horizons help, at the margin, on the job market?
it may hurt you instead
Very unlikely it would hurt at the margin.
For the most part, any publication in a top-ten journal helps you especially if it is sole authored or you can show that you came up with the idea. A top-ten publication usually takes around four or five years (one year to write the paper, one year to shop it around at conferences and two to three years in the review process if you are lucky). Most people on a recruiting committee know that a doc student is not going to have a top-three journal idea in the initial years of the program. To have any idea in your first or second year that makes it to publication is a strong indicator of success. I typically discount multi-authored top-three publications on a PhD candidate's vita. Someone getting a TAR or JAR in the second or third year of the program is a joke! Did the student write the paper before he or she started the program? These publications are typically "gifts" from the senior faculty. The candidate may have collected some data and read over the paper, but he or she rarely came up with idea, wrote the paper or helped get it through the review process.
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Why are some journals ranked higher than others when they share a lot of the editorial board members and reviewers?
This is related to the question of how much a Horizons or JFR pub helps your reputation. Top journals are the first journals one would submit a paper of a certain type. They'll get to choose the best papers, and lower-ranked journals will have to choose from the ones the top journals reject.
But there are many types of papers, so there are many rankings. Horizons has traditionally been the first place to send papers that are mostly focused on practice and policy, so if that is the type of paper you place in Horizons, that's evidence that you are doing pretty good work of that type, and it will help you at schools that value it (which are a lot of them).
JFR is starting to become a first place to send practice/policy papers as well, but more commonly it's a first place to send papers that are in some way not to the taste of TAR/JAR/JAE. Replications, methods pieces, thought pieces, historical work, descriptive work, or otherwise out-of-the-box projects, like Creating Firm Disclosures . If your paper looks just like something you'd see in TAR, but it ends up in JFR, that doesn't help a whole lot--it's just a paper that was probably rejected by a top journal for good reason. But if your paper looks like something that would never fit in TAR, people will take it as evidence that you are doing pretty good but non-traditional work, and that will help you at schools that value it.
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Why are some journals ranked higher than others when they share a lot of the editorial board members and reviewers?
This is related to the question of how much a Horizons or JFR pub helps your reputation. Top journals are the first journals one would submit a paper of a certain type. They'll get to choose the best papers, and lower-ranked journals will have to choose from the ones the top journals reject.
But there are many types of papers, so there are many rankings. Horizons has traditionally been the first place to send papers that are mostly focused on practice and policy, so if that is the type of paper you place in Horizons, that's evidence that you are doing pretty good work of that type, and it will help you at schools that value it (which are a lot of them).
JFR is starting to become a first place to send practice/policy papers as well, but more commonly it's a first place to send papers that are in some way not to the taste of TAR/JAR/JAE. Replications, methods pieces, thought pieces, historical work, descriptive work, or otherwise out-of-the-box projects, like Creating Firm Disclosures . If your paper looks just like something you'd see in TAR, but it ends up in JFR, that doesn't help a whole lot--it's just a paper that was probably rejected by a top journal for good reason. But if your paper looks like something that would never fit in TAR, people will take it as evidence that you are doing pretty good but non-traditional work, and that will help you at schools that value it.Thank you for the info! So glad to hear some neutral and informative information about the publication process!
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will JFR or Horizons help, at the margin, on the job market?
it may hurt you instead
Very unlikely it would hurt at the margin.
For the most part, any publication in a top-ten journal helps you especially if it is sole authored or you can show that you came up with the idea. A top-ten publication usually takes around four or five years (one year to write the paper, one year to shop it around at conferences and two to three years in the review process if you are lucky). Most people on a recruiting committee know that a doc student is not going to have a top-three journal idea in the initial years of the program. To have any idea in your first or second year that makes it to publication is a strong indicator of success. I typically discount multi-authored top-three publications on a PhD candidate's vita. Someone getting a TAR or JAR in the second or third year of the program is a joke! Did the student write the paper before he or she started the program? These publications are typically "gifts" from the senior faculty. The candidate may have collected some data and read over the paper, but he or she rarely came up with idea, wrote the paper or helped get it through the review process.
You are wrong. Well, generally right, but I know jmc who got the idea and published with coauthors in top 3 journals and later he became very successful. If you have a jmc like above or generated the idea of many working papers than you cannot go wrong! The problem is the publishing game! If you dont "hire" senior scholars you wont be accepted as a good researcher mainly because of jealousy and you work will be rejected. This is bad and need to be solved. Bias is making many people quit publishing after tenure.