^ Sure sure, there you go again. Academia is doomed, PhD students will be flipping burgers, we will soon be picking up trash in the streets. NOW GO BACK TO YOUR WORK!!!
Official Marketing JM 2020 Thread
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Do hiring freezes = less jobs? I mean the open positions still exist, right? Can we expect that once universities reopen, the positions need to be filled?
Budget cut and tenure clock extension will lead to a huge a reduction in open positions this year. Wait for another year.
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senior prof here. I've seen the spreadsheet listing the # of schools extending the tenure clock. It's a lot of 'em. mine included.
Meanwhile, i've been talking to my colleagues and most of us are getting the emails from university admin that a hiring freeze is in effect ASAP.
Also, salary freezes. Coming next, salary cuts, furloughs, who knows? Expect tenure-track contracts to not be renewed, expect it to be harder to get tenure if you have the bad clock of coming up next year and can't delay.
Many (most?) schools are highly dependent on tuition and revenue from exec ed and similar programs That is going to shrink dramatically short run.
I saw a Chronicle of Higher Ed survey that said a lot of high school seniors are rethinking going to college next year - so a postponement at least for a while. That means less tuition dollars.
I don't see how higher ed is immune and I doubt we're going to AMA - what's the point?
My advice is if you're still in the PhD program, stay there until this blows over.
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senior prof here. I've seen the spreadsheet listing the # of schools extending the tenure clock. It's a lot of 'em. mine included.
Meanwhile, i've been talking to my colleagues and most of us are getting the emails from university admin that a hiring freeze is in effect ASAP.
Also, salary freezes. Coming next, salary cuts, furloughs, who knows? Expect tenure-track contracts to not be renewed, expect it to be harder to get tenure if you have the bad clock of coming up next year and can't delay.
Many (most?) schools are highly dependent on tuition and revenue from exec ed and similar programs That is going to shrink dramatically short run.
I saw a Chronicle of Higher Ed survey that said a lot of high school seniors are rethinking going to college next year - so a postponement at least for a while. That means less tuition dollars.
I don't see how higher ed is immune and I doubt we're going to AMA - what's the point?
My advice is if you're still in the PhD program, stay there until this blows over.Do you expect the hiring freezes to be in place for a while, even after the economy restarts?
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To the person who wondered what happens to the positions that didn't get filled, it depends on the university. at a lot of places, when you don't hire, the slot goes back to the provost or central admin. you don't necessarily get it back. You have to start all over again to make the case.
In my judgment and based on my experience of living through previous recessions, this will reverberate for more than one academic year. So, 2021-2022 will be bleak. Some schools might see some daylight in 2022-2023, but it will take longer for others to gain back lost ground.
A lot will depend on how fast we can get the revenue streams back and that's going to depend a lot on whether people can afford to go to school or take fancy programs. We may need to reinvent some new. products.
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To the person who wondered what happens to the positions that didn't get filled, it depends on the university. at a lot of places, when you don't hire, the slot goes back to the provost or central admin. you don't necessarily get it back. You have to start all over again to make the case.
In my judgment and based on my experience of living through previous recessions, this will reverberate for more than one academic year. So, 2021-2022 will be bleak. Some schools might see some daylight in 2022-2023, but it will take longer for others to gain back lost ground.
A lot will depend on how fast we can get the revenue streams back and that's going to depend a lot on whether people can afford to go to school or take fancy programs. We may need to reinvent some new. products.Thanks for the input. Wow this is making the coming job market look very bleak..
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To the person who wondered what happens to the positions that didn't get filled, it depends on the university. at a lot of places, when you don't hire, the slot goes back to the provost or central admin. you don't necessarily get it back. You have to start all over again to make the case.
In my judgment and based on my experience of living through previous recessions, this will reverberate for more than one academic year. So, 2021-2022 will be bleak. Some schools might see some daylight in 2022-2023, but it will take longer for others to gain back lost ground.
A lot will depend on how fast we can get the revenue streams back and that's going to depend a lot on whether people can afford to go to school or take fancy programs. We may need to reinvent some new. products.A few well-funded places hire more now as a source of competitive advantage. Wisconsin as an institution did this during last recession.