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1. Economist
   22ba
   

   There will be jobs. Less jobs. But there will be jobs. The average candidate received about 2 offers over the last 3 years. Expect it to be about half. One benefit, departments might be a little less picky than years previous because the lines are more tenuous, and if the dean has approved a rookie hire they would be foolish to drag their feet because that money will disappear.
   I know this sucks. But, it will not be as bad as you’re imagining it right now.

   I don't know if that benefit can materialize. If there are less departments opening up positions, those departments will believe they can get anyone (given that it will be the buyer's market). Therefore, competition may become steeper, even for jobs that some may not have considered in prior years.

   3 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 0 Vlad !

2. Economist
   6c07
   

   Agree completely that departments will become MORE, not less, picky. That's the way it works with scarce demand and too much supply.

   3 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

3. Economist
   d049
   

   Is it just me or is marketingphdjobs.org down?

   3 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

4. Economist
   b64a
   

   Agree completely that departments will become MORE, not less, picky. That's the way it works with scarce demand and too much supply.

   That is nothing new. Every year the market is pickier and there are more and better people who cannot be placed. This will go on, as marketing is no longer the field with supply demand imbalance. And schools are not greatly expanding. People are not retiring...

   Every other discipline created outside options, we are their outside option. Economists, statisticians, psychologists... Marketing has nearly zero outside options in academia and very little in industry.

   So two things will happen. Competition will intensify. Lower ranked schools will hire much better people, and will become much better schools in the long term. We will see departments seeking more industry options for placements. AMA should focus on this.

   3 years ago # QUOTE 5 Volod 1 Vlad !

5. Economist
   5912
   

   Agree completely that departments will become MORE, not less, picky. That's the way it works with scarce demand and too much supply.

   That is nothing new. Every year the market is pickier and there are more and better people who cannot be placed. This will go on, as marketing is no longer the field with supply demand imbalance. And schools are not greatly expanding. People are not retiring...
   Every other discipline created outside options, we are their outside option. Economists, statisticians, psychologists... Marketing has nearly zero outside options in academia and very little in industry.
   So two things will happen. Competition will intensify. Lower ranked schools will hire much better people, and will become much better schools in the long term. We will see departments seeking more industry options for placements. AMA should focus on this.

   Well said.

   3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

6. Economist
   345e
   

   What is the placement of XC from Berkeley?

   3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 2 Vlad !

7. Economist
   860d
   

   You are a broken record. This must be the 10th time you’ve asked this. Please just email them and ask.

   What is the placement of XC from Berkeley?

   3 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 0 Vlad !

8. Economist
   d049
   

   Bump

   3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

9. Economist
   07a1
   

   What is the placement of XC from Berkeley?

   Not sure who Berkeley made a shady deal with this time around... MIT?

   3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

10. Economist
    e627
    

    Singapore.

    3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

11. Economist
    02ff
    

    What is the placement of XC from Berkeley?

    Not sure who Berkeley made a shady deal with this time around... MIT?

    What a creep. Coming here to talk $&@ about candidates.

    3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

12. Economist
    4f0b
    

    Singapore.

    Which univ?

    3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 2 Vlad !

13. Economist
    ec3b
    

    My advisor advised me this time last year to do “one more year” before I went on the market. He said I would not get a “good” job without an A publication. He said he would not write me a strong recommendation without the extra year. He said “this is an investment in your career.” He said, “don’t worry if your extra year is not funded. We’ll figure it out. “

    I listened to my advisor. My cohort mate got the same advice. His CV was worse than mine. He did not listen to his advisor. He got a job. At the time, my advisor and I actually chuckled about his placement. “See, this is why you wait a year. You don’t want to end up like [name redacted].” My cohort mate got a job at an R1 with a 3/0 load and we chuckled. We were fools. We are fools.

    I feel like crap right now.

    My advisor is being very cagey about my funding. My university is going into full austerity and there is no money for “extra years”. I still do not have that A publication. My advisor is saying that the market might be bad for 2 or 3 years. I hate my advisor. I hate my university. I hate the job market. I hate myself. I hate COVID-19.

    3 years ago # QUOTE 7 Volod 0 Vlad !

14. Economist
    2a6e
    

    My advisor advised me this time last year to do “one more year” before I went on the market. He said I would not get a “good” job without an A publication. He said he would not write me a strong recommendation without the extra year. He said “this is an investment in your career.” He said, “don’t worry if your extra year is not funded. We’ll figure it out. “
    I listened to my advisor. My cohort mate got the same advice. His CV was worse than mine. He did not listen to his advisor. He got a job. At the time, my advisor and I actually chuckled about his placement. “See, this is why you wait a year. You don’t want to end up like [name redacted].” My cohort mate got a job at an R1 with a 3/0 load and we chuckled. We were fools. We are fools.
    I feel like crap right now.
    My advisor is being very cagey about my funding. My university is going into full austerity and there is no money for “extra years”. I still do not have that A publication. My advisor is saying that the market might be bad for 2 or 3 years. I hate my advisor. I hate my university. I hate the job market. I hate myself. I hate COVID-19.

    We are in the same boat. Good luck to us we will need it

    3 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 0 Vlad !

15. Economist
    2f49
    

    My advisor advised me this time last year to do “one more year” before I went on the market. He said I would not get a “good” job without an A publication. He said he would not write me a strong recommendation without the extra year. He said “this is an investment in your career.” He said, “don’t worry if your extra year is not funded. We’ll figure it out. “
    I listened to my advisor. My cohort mate got the same advice. His CV was worse than mine. He did not listen to his advisor. He got a job. At the time, my advisor and I actually chuckled about his placement. “See, this is why you wait a year. You don’t want to end up like [name redacted].” My cohort mate got a job at an R1 with a 3/0 load and we chuckled. We were fools. We are fools.
    I feel like crap right now.
    My advisor is being very cagey about my funding. My university is going into full austerity and there is no money for “extra years”. I still do not have that A publication. My advisor is saying that the market might be bad for 2 or 3 years. I hate my advisor. I hate my university. I hate the job market. I hate myself. I hate COVID-19.

    Maybe don't chuckle at other people. No need to put others down.

    3 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

16. Economist
    ffa9
    

    His advice was good ex-ante, but bad ex-post. No one expected the coronavirus.

    3 years ago # QUOTE 7 Volod 0 Vlad !

17. Economist
    ec3b
    

    My advisor advised me this time last year to do “one more year” before I went on the market. He said I would not get a “good” job without an A publication. He said he would not write me a strong recommendation without the extra year. He said “this is an investment in your career.” He said, “don’t worry if your extra year is not funded. We’ll figure it out. “
    I listened to my advisor. My cohort mate got the same advice. His CV was worse than mine. He did not listen to his advisor. He got a job. At the time, my advisor and I actually chuckled about his placement. “See, this is why you wait a year. You don’t want to end up like [name redacted].” My cohort mate got a job at an R1 with a 3/0 load and we chuckled. We were fools. We are fools.
    I feel like crap right now.
    My advisor is being very cagey about my funding. My university is going into full austerity and there is no money for “extra years”. I still do not have that A publication. My advisor is saying that the market might be bad for 2 or 3 years. I hate my advisor. I hate my university. I hate the job market. I hate myself. I hate COVID-19.

    Maybe don't chuckle at other people. No need to put others down.

    I was wrong.

    3 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

18. Economist
    2a6e
    

    My advisor advised me this time last year to do “one more year” before I went on the market. He said I would not get a “good” job without an A publication. He said he would not write me a strong recommendation without the extra year. He said “this is an investment in your career.” He said, “don’t worry if your extra year is not funded. We’ll figure it out. “
    I listened to my advisor. My cohort mate got the same advice. His CV was worse than mine. He did not listen to his advisor. He got a job. At the time, my advisor and I actually chuckled about his placement. “See, this is why you wait a year. You don’t want to end up like [name redacted].” My cohort mate got a job at an R1 with a 3/0 load and we chuckled. We were fools. We are fools.
    I feel like crap right now.
    My advisor is being very cagey about my funding. My university is going into full austerity and there is no money for “extra years”. I still do not have that A publication. My advisor is saying that the market might be bad for 2 or 3 years. I hate my advisor. I hate my university. I hate the job market. I hate myself. I hate COVID-19.

    Maybe don't chuckle at other people. No need to put others down.

    I was wrong.

    What does your advisor think about the coming market?

    3 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

19. Economist
    ec3b
    

    What does your advisor think about the coming market?

    He thinks its going to be a bloodbath. I just hope he's as wrong as he was last year.

    3 years ago # QUOTE 4 Volod 0 Vlad !

20. Economist
    fb9b
    

    What does your advisor think about the coming market?

    He thinks its going to be a bloodbath. I just hope he's as wrong as he was last year.

    He says that explicitly? Here people are being very cautious saying it's still early to be sure.

    3 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

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