Harris has a much lower acceptance (5% vs 10%) rate than uchicago econ but econ people are much stronger, especially in the technical skills area. I'm guessing only the very strong and resilient apply to uchicago econ
Public Policy programs are becoming as exclusive as economics programs
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Do PP PhDs go on to academia? Which depts?
For Harris and HKS, placements resemble a high MRM school: half go into Econ academia, and the other half go to industry (and a few to poli sci academia).
For the other PP schools, it’s mostly industry placements or non-Econ academia
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If you are considered underrepresented its pretty easy to get into any of the above.
Looking at the Cornell data for PAM in 2020: 9/53 female applicants were admitted (pretty high 16% admit rate). However, only 4/62 international applicants were admitted (for a very, very low 6% admit rate). And 0/6 (for a 0% admit rate) black, hispanic, Pacific islander, or American Indians were admitted.
It doesn't look like your statement holds up.... at all.Not sure what you're talking about, the data I'm looking at doesn't break down applicants by race and gender, only the matriculated students. And the percentage of black, hispanic or pacific islander is not 0% for any year including 2020.. From the data it looks like they are favoring US citizens (no data on applicants but certainly not half of them and yet they are over 50% of each cohort), especially minorities (women also are over 50% every year). Like every other program.
You're looking at the Doctoral Program Statistics link. The ethnicity section there describes the entirety of the students in the program. If you go to the other link (this one: https://tableau.cornell.edu/t/PublicContent/views/5yrAdmissionsFactsandFiguresTabularData/AdmissionsCounts?%3Aorigin=card_share_link&%3Aembed=y) and sort by admitted students in the population selector, then pick US BHI in ethnicity, you'll see there were 0 BHI students admitted in 2020 for PAM.
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Why do people still value academic placements. You don’t need a PhD to live in Albany and make 75k
With a PhD you get 3-5 months off every year if you're in a LAC, with a decent salary to boot. That by itself is worth slogging through 4-5 years of a PhD.
Do you even opportunity cost? And stop perpetuating the lie that you get 3-5 months "off" every year.
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Why do people still value academic placements. You don’t need a PhD to live in Albany and make 75k
With a PhD you get 3-5 months off every year if you're in a LAC, with a decent salary to boot. That by itself is worth slogging through 4-5 years of a PhD.
Do you even opportunity cost? And stop perpetuating the lie that you get 3-5 months "off" every year.
If you have little to no research you, quite literally, get at least 3 months off every year.
And what do you mean by opportunity cost? You also get to spend 5 years with no boss, dictating your own agenda, getting money for basically nothing guaranteed in return. PhDs are honestly a pretty decent time if you're not hyperfocused on getting an R1 research intensive job.
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Decent salary is a joke. I don’t need a lot of money but I need to be able to eat what I want and travel occasionally.
Why do people still value academic placements. You don’t need a PhD to live in Albany and make 75k
With a PhD you get 3-5 months off every year if you're in a LAC, with a decent salary to boot. That by itself is worth slogging through 4-5 years of a PhD.
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Do PP PhDs go on to academia? Which depts?
For Harris and HKS, placements resemble a high MRM school: half go into Econ academia, and the other half go to industry (and a few to poli sci academia).
For the other PP schools, it’s mostly industry placements or non-Econ academiaHalf to econ academia is equivalent to MIT and sometimes Harvard, not MRMs ljl.
I guess if you count teaching jobs and Asian TT jobs that same way you count US R1 TT, this might be true, but no one remotely informed puts those in the same box.
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Do PP PhDs go on to academia? Which depts?
For Harris and HKS, placements resemble a high MRM school: half go into Econ academia, and the other half go to industry (and a few to poli sci academia).
For the other PP schools, it’s mostly industry placements or non-Econ academiaHalf to econ academia is equivalent to MIT and sometimes Harvard, not MRMs ljl.
I guess if you count teaching jobs and Asian TT jobs that same way you count US R1 TT, this might be true, but no one remotely informed puts those in the same box.Half US R1 TT is much easier when the number of JMCs is quite small. Of course that also means only quarter US R1 TT happens frequently too
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Decent salary is a joke. I don’t need a lot of money but I need to be able to eat what I want and travel occasionally.
Why do people still value academic placements. You don’t need a PhD to live in Albany and make 75k
With a PhD you get 3-5 months off every year if you're in a LAC, with a decent salary to boot. That by itself is worth slogging through 4-5 years of a PhD.
I know someone who went on the job market this year from a VLRM, and got a teaching job with 0 research load that pays 100k/year at a LAC. If you can't eat what you want and travel where you want to with that salary then you need to be better at managing your money. Not to mention that this person actually has more vacation time than 99% of the country.
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Do PP PhDs go on to academia? Which depts?
For Harris and HKS, placements resemble a high MRM school: half go into Econ academia, and the other half go to industry (and a few to poli sci academia).
For the other PP schools, it’s mostly industry placements or non-Econ academiaHalf to econ academia is equivalent to MIT and sometimes Harvard, not MRMs ljl.
I guess if you count teaching jobs and Asian TT jobs that same way you count US R1 TT, this might be true, but no one remotely informed puts those in the same box.Half US R1 TT is much easier when the number of JMCs is quite small. Of course that also means only quarter US R1 TT happens frequently too
Definitely. I wasn’t challenging the statement about Harris and HKS placements. I was just pointing out that calling it equivalent to high MRM placement is insane
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$100k per year as a college professor with no research is actually very good. Lots of places are closer to $70k and there is a big difference between $100 and $70.
Although $100k per year is only good for some parts of the country.
Decent salary is a joke. I don’t need a lot of money but I need to be able to eat what I want and travel occasionally.
Why do people still value academic placements. You don’t need a PhD to live in Albany and make 75k
With a PhD you get 3-5 months off every year if you're in a LAC, with a decent salary to boot. That by itself is worth slogging through 4-5 years of a PhD.
I know someone who went on the job market this year from a VLRM, and got a teaching job with 0 research load that pays 100k/year at a LAC. If you can't eat what you want and travel where you want to with that salary then you need to be better at managing your money. Not to mention that this person actually has more vacation time than 99% of the country.
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Do PP PhDs go on to academia? Which depts?
For Harris and HKS, placements resemble a high MRM school: half go into Econ academia, and the other half go to industry (and a few to poli sci academia).
For the other PP schools, it’s mostly industry placements or non-Econ academiaHalf to econ academia is equivalent to MIT and sometimes Harvard, not MRMs ljl.
I guess if you count teaching jobs and Asian TT jobs that same way you count US R1 TT, this might be true, but no one remotely informed puts those in the same box.Half US R1 TT is much easier when the number of JMCs is quite small. Of course that also means only quarter US R1 TT happens frequently too
Harris typically sends 2 out of 4 graduates per year to LRM Econ academia so 50%. But yes if it’s 1/4 on a given year then that drops to 25% easily.