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1. Economist
   aebd
   

   Two private French business schools, go figure!

   Alain Fayolle (a Professor at EMLyon) appropriated a dataset built by a former PhD student, today an academic at HEC Montréal. Fayolle never got the approval of this colleague and made such dataset available to Kathleen Randerson (today an academic at Audencia) for her to write her dissertation with Fayolle as advisor.

   The victim, Naïma Cherchem from HEC Montréal, filed a lawsuit against Fayolle and Randerson for unlawful use of intellectual property and plagiarism.

   Alain Fayolle and Kathleen Randerson have not been disciplined by their institutions, EMLyon and Audencia respectively, and they won't. These schools only care about CNRS stars, no matter the means to obtain them.

   We're all waiting for the outcome of the legal process.

   Here are the sites of the two culprits and their institutions:

   Alain Fayolle: http://www.em-lyon.com/en/faculty-research-education/faculty-research/international-business-school-professors/Permanent-Professors/Alain-FAYOLLE

   Kathleen Randerson: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/kathleen-randerson-phd-5225a421/en

   4 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 1 Vlad !

2. Economist
   b0cd
   

   Bonjour Naïma!

   4 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 0 Vlad !

3. Economist
   aebd
   

   Wouldn't it be too evident if Naïma wrote this? I do show solidarity with her even if I don't know her.

   Bonjour Naïma!

   4 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 1 Vlad !

4. Economist
   4241
   

   Disciplined for what? Unless this is some confidential registry data the case is absurd.

   Share your data or get out of the profession.

   4 years ago # QUOTE 4 Volod 6 Vlad !

5. Economist
   cb97
   

   Free data! Free Fayolle and Randerson!
   OP what’s the point of your message? Let’s wait for the outcome of the legal process and leave these people alone before the decision.

   4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 3 Vlad !

6. Economist
   b0cd
   

   Sorry I just don't get the point. I have no sympathy for proprietary data and people making a "scientific" career out of having access to it. The whole idea of "stealing" something that should be public sounds bizarre to me.

   If they plagiarized a paper or stole her idea that is different obviously.

   Wouldn't it be too evident if Naïma wrote this? I do show solidarity with her even if I don't know her.

   Bonjour Naïma!
   

   4 years ago # QUOTE 5 Volod 4 Vlad !

7. Economist
   2370
   

   ^
   You completely missed the point. Given that average IQ of people here is relatively high, i believe it is on purpose.
   A student compiles dataset, ikt could be from entirely public sources, but lets say it spends a year to prepare it.
   Than her advisor gives out that dataset to his own student .
   That is not allowed without consent.
   FBS are with few exceptions non-research institutions

   4 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 2 Vlad !

8. Economist
   2370
   

   I do not know personally any of them, but i work in similar area and assembling dataset takes months if not years. PE / VC data and similar.
   None is entitled to get this data.
   I do not see that people here ask WRDS to give them free access to data.

   Disciplined for what? Unless this is some confidential registry data the case is absurd.
   Share your data or get out of the profession.

   4 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 3 Vlad !

9. Economist
   aebd
   

   You are so weird. Your crypto-communist thinking is a justification for whatever suits your interest, even stealing.

   Sorry I just don't get the point. I have no sympathy for proprietary data and people making a "scientific" career out of having access to it. The whole idea of "stealing" something that should be public sounds bizarre to me.
   If they plagiarized a paper or stole her idea that is different obviously.

   Wouldn't it be too evident if Naïma wrote this? I do show solidarity with her even if I don't know her.

   Bonjour Naïma!
   

   4 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 2 Vlad !

10. Economist
    b0cd
    

    not my interest. Maybe I misunderstood the case, if the student did not publish out of the dataset things are different.

    But if she published already, I would guess using the same data and citing the her should be ok.

    nothing communist by the way, just free market.

    You are so weird. Your crypto-communist thinking is a justification for whatever suits your interest, even stealing.

    Sorry I just don't get the point. I have no sympathy for proprietary data and people making a "scientific" career out of having access to it. The whole idea of "stealing" something that should be public sounds bizarre to me.
    If they plagiarized a paper or stole her idea that is different obviously.

    Wouldn't it be too evident if Naïma wrote this? I do show solidarity with her even if I don't know her.

    Bonjour Naïma!

    4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 1 Vlad !

11. Economist
    8278
    

    Suing the PhD student sounds a bit OTT.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

12. Economist
    aebd
    

    You understood nothing. The former PhD student is suing the former advisor.

    What EMLyon and Audencia are going to do about the malpractice of their faculty? Nothing, the schools have no ethics.

    Suing the PhD student sounds a bit OTT.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

13. Economist
    789f
    

    is there a public source mentioning the lawsuit ?
    a press release hec montreal ?

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

14. Economist
    0f9b
    

    is there a public source mentioning the lawsuit ?
    a press release hec montreal ?

    http://huet.blog.lemonde.fr/2017/12/05/un-office-pour-lethique-scientifique-et-universitaire/

    4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

15. Economist
    b0cd
    

    Thanks I finally understand why there is a problem.

    So, the key point is not that someone used a dataset from another thesis, but that there was no citation of this work. Hence, plagiarism.

    is there a public source mentioning the lawsuit ?
    a press release hec montreal ?

    http://huet.blog.lemonde.fr/2017/12/05/un-office-pour-lethique-scientifique-et-universitaire/

    4 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 2 Vlad !

16. Economist
    aebd
    

    Idiot, the dataset's owner authorization wasn't sought, nor the owner cited. The legal dispute is open.

    What a peanut brain you have.

    Thanks I finally understand why there is a problem.
    So, the key point is not that someone used a dataset from another thesis, but that there was no citation of this work. Hence, plagiarism.

    is there a public source mentioning the lawsuit ?
    a press release hec montreal ?

    http://huet.blog.lemonde.fr/2017/12/05/un-office-pour-lethique-scientifique-et-universitaire/
    

    4 years ago # QUOTE 2 Volod 1 Vlad !

17. Economist
    6734
    

    strange way of looking for support.

    Idiot, the dataset's owner authorization wasn't sought, nor the owner cited. The legal dispute is open.
    What a peanut brain you have.

    Thanks I finally understand why there is a problem.
    So, the key point is not that someone used a dataset from another thesis, but that there was no citation of this work. Hence, plagiarism.

    is there a public source mentioning the lawsuit ?
    a press release hec montreal ?

    http://huet.blog.lemonde.fr/2017/12/05/un-office-pour-lethique-scientifique-et-universitaire/
    

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 2 Vlad !

18. Economist
    04b9
    

    This thread is annoying, I am annoyed by the frenchbros, really annoyed. You frenchies better watch out or I will strike down on any thread that is remotely related to France..

    - a mod

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 4 Vlad !

19. Economist
    bbbd
    

    Breaking news! Alain Fayolle has been dismissed

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

20. Economist
    bbbd
    

    I'm kidding. EMLyon doesn't care about the means you use to publish.

    Breaking news! Alain Fayolle has been dismissed

    4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

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