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1. Economist
   58fa
   

   Ok, in case it is not clear: Reparations is to be paid not by WHITE PEOPLE but by the federal government and the fact that you equate these things says everything about who you think are real citizens who you think are not.

   Since you want to go there, riddle me this. If the federal government pays the reparations, then the reparations are of course paid by US taxpayers. Since black Americans are real American citizens, are the descendants of slaves partially paying for the reparations that they will then receive?

   4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

2. Economist
   a7ea
   

   As taxpayers. Yes. Easy. Next question.

   Ok, in case it is not clear: Reparations is to be paid not by WHITE PEOPLE but by the federal government and the fact that you equate these things says everything about who you think are real citizens who you think are not.

   Since you want to go there, riddle me this. If the federal government pays the reparations, then the reparations are of course paid by US taxpayers. Since black Americans are real American citizens, are the descendants of slaves partially paying for the reparations that they will then receive?

   4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

3. Economist
   0f66
   

   1) Reparations are for the descendants of American slaves, so if you are not one, you don't get reparations. 2) If you do not live/identify as at least partially black on some government form, you do not get reparations. 3) If you are biracial, you're still a descendant of slaves.

   2 and 3 do not follow from 1.

   4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

4. Economist
   a7ea
   

   1) Reparations are for the descendants of American slaves, so if you are not one, you don't get reparations. 2) If you do not live/identify as at least partially black on some government form, you do not get reparations. 3) If you are biracial, you're still a descendant of slaves.

   2 and 3 do not follow from 1.

   You're not smart.

   4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

5. Economist
   0f66
   

   Wouldn’t truly fair reparations be to ensure that African-Americans have the same standard of living as Africans?

   4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 2 Vlad !

6. Economist
   58fa
   

   As taxpayers. Yes. Easy. Next question.

   Ok, in case it is not clear: Reparations is to be paid not by WHITE PEOPLE but by the federal government and the fact that you equate these things says everything about who you think are real citizens who you think are not.

   Since you want to go there, riddle me this. If the federal government pays the reparations, then the reparations are of course paid by US taxpayers. Since black Americans are real American citizens, are the descendants of slaves partially paying for the reparations that they will then receive?
   

   Great. Something tells me that the percentage of people who support reparations will either decrease, or stay the same and call you a racist, given that you think the recipients of reparations will be partially paying for them.

   4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

7. Economist
   a7ea
   

   That's an empirical question. Run the study.

   As taxpayers. Yes. Easy. Next question.

   Ok, in case it is not clear: Reparations is to be paid not by WHITE PEOPLE but by the federal government and the fact that you equate these things says everything about who you think are real citizens who you think are not.

   Since you want to go there, riddle me this. If the federal government pays the reparations, then the reparations are of course paid by US taxpayers. Since black Americans are real American citizens, are the descendants of slaves partially paying for the reparations that they will then receive?
   

   Great. Something tells me that the percentage of people who support reparations will either decrease, or stay the same and call you a racist, given that you think the recipients of reparations will be partially paying for them.

   4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

8. Economist
   a7ea
   

   I have no need to argue with a child.

   Wouldn’t truly fair reparations be to ensure that African-Americans have the same standard of living as Africans?

   4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 2 Vlad !

9. Economist
   93fa
   

   I guess I've never understood why the massive wealth transfers from white to black for the past 60 years aren't a form of reparations? is affirmative action a form of reparation?

   4 years ago # QUOTE 3 Volod 0 Vlad !

10. Economist
    58fa
    

    That's an empirical question. Run the study.

    I'm cool, Twitter bro or broette.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

11. Economist
    0b04
    

    You think (1) would be easy. There’s so few records it will take tens of millions to find the family lineage back to slavery for all blacks in America.

    For (2) and (3) so someone who is 100 percent black and someone who is 1 percent black will get the same amount of reparations? US has a one drop rule where if you have just one drop of black blood in you you are black.

    1) Reparations are for the descendants of American slaves, so if you are not one, you don't get reparations. 2) If you do not live/identify as at least partially black on some government form, you do not get reparations. 3) If you are biracial, you're still a descendant of slaves. 4) All Americans, biracial or not, who pay taxes will be paying for reparations. So, whether you are biracial or not, if you are a descendant, you will both pay and receive. I mean, I'm assuming Frederick Douglass would have gotten reparations, even though his dad was white. We can put a man on the moon. Some accounting is not that difficult. NEXT

    How would this feasibly come about. They talk about it but no concrete plan. How would you be able to confirm each individuals ancestry to confirm that they are decendents from slaves?
    How about interracial children? Should they only get half the amount?
    How about black immigrants? Many other countries took part in the partition of Africa. Should we be responsible for those in former English territories?
    Let’s face it, this is no longer feasible today.
    

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

12. Economist
    a7ea
    

    1) Sound like money well spent (and not that much considering the federal budget).

    2)Yep, 1% and 100% get the same amount. America set up the racist 1-drop rule. No need to change it now.

    You think (1) would be easy. There’s so few records it will take tens of millions to find the family lineage back to slavery for all blacks in America.
    For (2) and (3) so someone who is 100 percent black and someone who is 1 percent black will get the same amount of reparations? US has a one drop rule where if you have just one drop of black blood in you you are black.

    1) Reparations are for the descendants of American slaves, so if you are not one, you don't get reparations. 2) If you do not live/identify as at least partially black on some government form, you do not get reparations. 3) If you are biracial, you're still a descendant of slaves. 4) All Americans, biracial or not, who pay taxes will be paying for reparations. So, whether you are biracial or not, if you are a descendant, you will both pay and receive. I mean, I'm assuming Frederick Douglass would have gotten reparations, even though his dad was white. We can put a man on the moon. Some accounting is not that difficult. NEXT

    How would this feasibly come about. They talk about it but no concrete plan. How would you be able to confirm each individuals ancestry to confirm that they are decendents from slaves?
    How about interracial children? Should they only get half the amount?
    How about black immigrants? Many other countries took part in the partition of Africa. Should we be responsible for those in former English territories?
    Let’s face it, this is no longer feasible today.
    

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 1 Vlad !

13. Economist
    a7ea
    

    I guess I've never understood why the massive wealth transfers from white to black for the past 60 years aren't a form of reparations? is affirmative action a form of reparation?

    No. No one automatically gets so-called affirmative action.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 2 Vlad !

14. Economist
    93fa
    

    I guess I've never understood why the massive wealth transfers from white to black for the past 60 years aren't a form of reparations? is affirmative action a form of reparation?

    No. No one automatically gets so-called affirmative action.

    but some did. so would you calculate that as a benefit, at least for those who received preferential treatment? after all, not all whites were slaveowners and not all blacks were slaves

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

15. Economist
    0f66
    

    I have no need to argue with a child.

    Wouldn’t truly fair reparations be to ensure that African-Americans have the same standard of living as Africans?
    

    If your but-for world is one without slavery, giving African-Americans the same standard of living they could have expected in Africa is the correct answer.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 2 Vlad !

16. Economist
    58fa
    

    I have no need to argue with a child.

    Wouldn’t truly fair reparations be to ensure that African-Americans have the same standard of living as Africans?
    

    If your but-for world is one without slavery, giving African-Americans the same standard of living they could have expected in Africa is the correct answer.

    Go race bait somewhere else.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

17. Economist
    0f66
    

    Ok, in case it is not clear: Reparations is to be paid not by WHITE PEOPLE but by the federal government

    The same federal government that fought a war that put an end to slavery? Would we subtract the costs of the war from the reparations?

    4 years ago # QUOTE 0 Volod 0 Vlad !

18. Economist
    0f66
    

    I have no need to argue with a child.

    Wouldn’t truly fair reparations be to ensure that African-Americans have the same standard of living as Africans?
    

    If your but-for world is one without slavery, giving African-Americans the same standard of living they could have expected in Africa is the correct answer.

    Go race bait somewhere else.

    I don’t think you know what that term means.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 2 Vlad !

19. Economist
    58fa
    

    Wouldn’t truly fair reparations be to ensure that African-Americans have the same standard of living as Africans?

    If your but-for world is one without slavery, giving African-Americans the same standard of living they could have expected in Africa is the correct answer.

    Go race bait somewhere else.

    I don’t think you know what that term means.

    If you're going to use a hurr go back to Africa durr 4chan line, don't feign ignorance when you get called out on your race baiting. And go back to 4chan.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 2 Vlad !

20. Economist
    03cd
    

    The fundamental problem with reparations is that it will not redress the problems facing the black community namely low human capital formation and single mother households.

    4 years ago # QUOTE 1 Volod 0 Vlad !

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