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1. Economist
   ef7b
   

   ef7b here. Will assume you are not trolling so will answer sincerely. I am from the rural mid-west. People there are not lonely because they have family and long-standing friendships from childhood. But if you aren't from there social networks are pretty locked up. So you are pretty dependent on the campus community for a social life, especially at first.

   Not very good if then the campus also bans dating, right?

   I agree students and faculty should be free to date. I dated a young AP when I was an undergrad and it was fine - I mean who else are they going to find to date in a rural college town?

   Grad students and faculty in the same department I think is a trickier case. Kind of like if you fall in love with one of your employees -- you had better be darn sure of a positive answer before you make a move and one of you had better find another job before you let the cat out of the bag.

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2. Economist
   2701
   

   JF, JFE, RFS should accept more papers from departments where the dept. head is female.

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3. Economist
   5798
   

   Our department couldn't hire another woman after the first, because she did everything she could to stop other women being hired. Very entertaining.

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4. Economist
   319b
   

   These threads are hilarious especially the comments from the feminists. They write as if department need women like a stranded man in a desert needs water. You **need** women!! You will die otherwise. I swear.

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5. Economist
   2ec4
   

   This is an interesting observation. There is no shortage of female foreign born Asian job market candidates every year (simply browse this year's departments' job market webpage for example), yet departments seem to have very difficult times recruiting female faculty. I think what most department really mean is 'we are having very difficult recruiting female faculty who are white.'

   Just remember that for many administrators, foreign born ASIAN women ‘do not count’ as diversity or as ‘role models.’

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6. Economist
   244f
   

   So surprising that this is a forum where everyone presumably understands economics.
   In a competitive equilibrium, male and female get the job which they deserve. So an intervention to force-hire women is justified only when you prove that we are not in Pareto efficient equilibrium already.

   I am the female who said I would be reluctant to work in an all male department. Other females seem to agree. If that is reasonably widespread phenomenon that would be a reason we are not in an efficient equilibrium.

   A school starts off all male and tries to hire the best candidate they can. But if that is a woman, they are more likely to choose another option than if it is a man. And while you didn't formally define the competitive equilibrium you described, this seems like it is a violation of the spirit of it.

   If an absence of women repels women from a school, that functions a lot like women attracting other women. Which means that there will be forces encouraging an uneven distribution of women amongst schools.

   I will refrain from making a normative judgement about that. In some ways it is like how people with certain research specialties tend to cluster. But it would leave a weird taste in other people's mouths.

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7. Economist
   ef7b
   

   Our department couldn't hire another woman after the first, because she did everything she could to stop other women being hired. Very entertaining.

   I did have one interview on the market where the sole woman in the department during my interview with her shut her office door and said, 'don't come here' during the interview. Not because the department was unfriendly to women, but because she hated the isolated corner of the country the campus was in.

   I turned down that offer.

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8. Economist
   1818
   

   Our department couldn't hire another woman after the first, because she did everything she could to stop other women being hired. Very entertaining.

   I did have one interview on the market where the sole woman in the department during my interview with her shut her office door and said, 'don't come here' during the interview. Not because the department was unfriendly to women, but because she hated the isolated corner of the country the campus was in.
   I turned down that offer.

   She told you 'don't come here' to solidify her own position within the dept. Less chance they will fire the only female.

   She screwed you.

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9. Economist
   1b39
   

   Our department couldn't hire another woman after the first, because she did everything she could to stop other women being hired. Very entertaining.

   I did have one interview on the market where the sole woman in the department during my interview with her shut her office door and said, 'don't come here' during the interview. Not because the department was unfriendly to women, but because she hated the isolated corner of the country the campus was in.
   I turned down that offer.

   ^

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10. Economist
    0090
    

    ^^^

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11. Economist
    9556
    

    So surprising that this is a forum where everyone presumably understands economics.
    In a competitive equilibrium, male and female get the job which they deserve. So an intervention to force-hire women is justified only when you prove that we are not in Pareto efficient equilibrium already.

    I am the female who said I would be reluctant to work in an all male department. Other females seem to agree. If that is reasonably widespread phenomenon that would be a reason we are not in an efficient equilibrium.
    A school starts off all male and tries to hire the best candidate they can. But if that is a woman, they are more likely to choose another option than if it is a man. And while you didn't formally define the competitive equilibrium you described, this seems like it is a violation of the spirit of it.
    If an absence of women repels women from a school, that functions a lot like women attracting other women. Which means that there will be forces encouraging an uneven distribution of women amongst schools.
    I will refrain from making a normative judgement about that. In some ways it is like how people with certain research specialties tend to cluster. But it would leave a weird taste in other people's mouths.

    So you are saying that preferences matter ?

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12. Economist
    75cc
    

    So surprising that this is a forum where everyone presumably understands economics.
    In a competitive equilibrium, male and female get the job which they deserve. So an intervention to force-hire women is justified only when you prove that we are not in Pareto efficient equilibrium already.

    I am the female who said I would be reluctant to work in an all male department. Other females seem to agree. If that is reasonably widespread phenomenon that would be a reason we are not in an efficient equilibrium.
    A school starts off all male and tries to hire the best candidate they can. But if that is a woman, they are more likely to choose another option than if it is a man. And while you didn't formally define the competitive equilibrium you described, this seems like it is a violation of the spirit of it.
    If an absence of women repels women from a school, that functions a lot like women attracting other women. Which means that there will be forces encouraging an uneven distribution of women amongst schools.
    I will refrain from making a normative judgement about that. In some ways it is like how people with certain research specialties tend to cluster. But it would leave a weird taste in other people's mouths.

    You are saying the equilibrium is not efficient because enough women don’t like it ? LOL
    If you want to make a career I suggest you stop focusing on all these side problems and focus instead on 1) going to the best university you can , regardless of its gender composition 2) do research

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13. Economist
    fbdf
    

    So surprising that this is a forum where everyone presumably understands economics.
    In a competitive equilibrium, male and female get the job which they deserve. So an intervention to force-hire women is justified only when you prove that we are not in Pareto efficient equilibrium already.

    I am the female who said I would be reluctant to work in an all male department. Other females seem to agree. If that is reasonably widespread phenomenon that would be a reason we are not in an efficient equilibrium.
    A school starts off all male and tries to hire the best candidate they can. But if that is a woman, they are more likely to choose another option than if it is a man. And while you didn't formally define the competitive equilibrium you described, this seems like it is a violation of the spirit of it.
    If an absence of women repels women from a school, that functions a lot like women attracting other women. Which means that there will be forces encouraging an uneven distribution of women amongst schools.
    I will refrain from making a normative judgement about that. In some ways it is like how people with certain research specialties tend to cluster. But it would leave a weird taste in other people's mouths.

    With all due respect, are you Asian?

    It's the problem of the woman, for which talented men has to pay:
    1. School starts with all male.
    2. They spot a talented female candidate, and want to hire her.
    3. That talented female is more likely to choose another school with some females, than does a talented man.

    Solution: Talented female, Grow f**ng up. Men are not there to harm you.
    What's men's fault here?

    I am sure if there is a male being interviewed by an all female department, he won't mind. I won't mind. I need intelligent brain around me, not a brain from my same gender, country or race.

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14. Economist
    fbdf
    

    So surprising that this is a forum where everyone presumably understands economics.
    In a competitive equilibrium, male and female get the job which they deserve. So an intervention to force-hire women is justified only when you prove that we are not in Pareto efficient equilibrium already.

    I am the female who said I would be reluctant to work in an all male department. Other females seem to agree. If that is reasonably widespread phenomenon that would be a reason we are not in an efficient equilibrium.
    A school starts off all male and tries to hire the best candidate they can. But if that is a woman, they are more likely to choose another option than if it is a man. And while you didn't formally define the competitive equilibrium you described, this seems like it is a violation of the spirit of it.
    If an absence of women repels women from a school, that functions a lot like women attracting other women. Which means that there will be forces encouraging an uneven distribution of women amongst schools.
    I will refrain from making a normative judgement about that. In some ways it is like how people with certain research specialties tend to cluster. But it would leave a weird taste in other people's mouths.

    Dear (plausibly) Asian Female:
    You said that you would be reluctant to work in all male department..

    1. Your strategy is not SPNE. You knew that econ/finance has more men than woman. Yet you decided to join the profession by entering PhD. When you entered the job market, you found potential employers where there are more men (say all men). So your finding is consistent with your ex-ante prior.

    What changed now that you are unwilling to work in all men department? You need fellow women to gossip, to cry foul, don't you?

    I see this in my cohort. Female cohort needs constant companion to nod when she cries foul. Always ready to party, but always feeling tired to work. Always gossip about dream f**ng marriage. Openly endorses that she doesn't want to work hard, or, to achieve success with least possible effort.

    [Not a general comment. It's based on sample of 1 Asian woman. I expect western woman to be more ambitious and hard working]

    I think men had understood such woman's traits and discounts it in hiring decisions.

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15. Economist
    c00e
    

    I always laugh when I see girls moan about "mentorship". It's like they think we go around explicitly mentoring one another non-stop.

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16. Economist
    a04c
    

    Apparently I am an outlier in the female population. I wouldnt mind working in an all men Dept. I have always studied and worked with very few women around. I do not know why this is a problem.
    Perhaps I am old fashioned.

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17. Economist
    fbdf
    

    Apparently I am an outlier in the female population. I wouldnt mind working in an all men Dept. I have always studied and worked with very few women around. I do not know why this is a problem.
    Perhaps I am old fashioned.

    Golden. Cheers. Thanks for coming on ejmr.

    Also, if you are in late 20's or early 30's and single, I would definitely try my best to date you. No troll. Sick of feminism crap.

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18. Economist
    4aa9
    

    Yes Asian candidates are at the bottom of the food chain, female or male.

    This is an interesting observation. There is no shortage of female foreign born Asian job market candidates every year (simply browse this year's departments' job market webpage for example), yet departments seem to have very difficult times recruiting female faculty. I think what most department really mean is 'we are having very difficult recruiting female faculty who are white.'

    Just remember that for many administrators, foreign born ASIAN women ‘do not count’ as diversity or as ‘role models.’

    1 year ago # QUOTE 2 Jab 0 No Jab !

19. Economist
    a04c
    

    Apparently I am an outlier in the female population. I wouldnt mind working in an all men Dept. I have always studied and worked with very few women around. I do not know why this is a problem.
    Perhaps I am old fashioned.

    Golden. Cheers. Thanks for coming on ejmr.
    Also, if you are in late 20's or early 30's and single, I would definitely try my best to date you. No troll. Sick of feminism crap.

    I am flattered. Thanks. But I am not only old fashioned but also kind of oldish. I am sure there are younger women out there thinking the same as I do.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 3 Jab 0 No Jab !

20. Economist
    4aa9
    

    Lol you just enjoy the attention all to yourself. You probably cannot stand another more successful woman than you.

    Apparently I am an outlier in the female population. I wouldnt mind working in an all men Dept. I have always studied and worked with very few women around. I do not know why this is a problem.
    Perhaps I am old fashioned.

    Golden. Cheers. Thanks for coming on ejmr.
    Also, if you are in late 20's or early 30's and single, I would definitely try my best to date you. No troll. Sick of feminism crap.

    I am flattered. Thanks. But I am not only old fashioned but also kind of oldish. I am sure there are younger women out there thinking the same as I do.

    Apparently I am an outlier in the female population. I wouldnt mind working in an all men Dept. I have always studied and worked with very few women around. I do not know why this is a problem.
    Perhaps I am old fashioned.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 1 Jab 5 No Jab !

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