Whatever happened to, “We are a University, not a bathhouse”?
Some departments really need women
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Apparently I am an outlier in the female population. I wouldnt mind working in an all men Dept. I have always studied and worked with very few women around. I do not know why this is a problem.
Perhaps I am old fashioned.Golden. Cheers. Thanks for coming on ejmr.
Also, if you are in late 20's or early 30's and single, I would definitely try my best to date you. No troll. Sick of feminism crap.In a thread full of cringeworthy posts, this one takes the cake
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Hey bro, we just got one sensible woman here, coming out. Don't hound her too. She didn't ask attention.
Lol you just enjoy the attention all to yourself. You probably cannot stand another more successful woman than you.
Apparently I am an outlier in the female population. I wouldnt mind working in an all men Dept. I have always studied and worked with very few women around. I do not know why this is a problem.
Perhaps I am old fashioned.Golden. Cheers. Thanks for coming on ejmr.
Also, if you are in late 20's or early 30's and single, I would definitely try my best to date you. No troll. Sick of feminism crap.I am flattered. Thanks. But I am not only old fashioned but also kind of oldish. I am sure there are younger women out there thinking the same as I do.
Apparently I am an outlier in the female population. I wouldnt mind working in an all men Dept. I have always studied and worked with very few women around. I do not know why this is a problem.
Perhaps I am old fashioned. -
Apparently I am an outlier in the female population. I wouldnt mind working in an all men Dept. I have always studied and worked with very few women around. I do not know why this is a problem.
Perhaps I am old fashioned.Golden. Cheers. Thanks for coming on ejmr.
Also, if you are in late 20's or early 30's and single, I would definitely try my best to date you. No troll. Sick of feminism crap.In a thread full of cringeworthy posts, this one takes the cake
Not cringeworthy at all. Seek help
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I am an old woman who grew up in America. I have not found that gender is a big factor on the job, and that includes a stint where I was the only female finance professor for several years. I would never think of writing a post that says we need more female professors on this website. I don't think American women want to become finance professors. They are just not that into the topic. I have met more American women who will work full time as a secretary and do an English PhD part-time than I have met American women who want to get a PhD in finance. And it's not like American men are so keen to do the degree either. Those of us who like it are pretty weird for Americans. So I think eventually the female thing will go away as an issue in US finance departments when half the department are Chinese females and the other half are Chinese males.
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Apparently I am an outlier in the female population. I wouldnt mind working in an all men Dept. I have always studied and worked with very few women around. I do not know why this is a problem.
Perhaps I am old fashioned.Golden. Cheers. Thanks for coming on ejmr.
Also, if you are in late 20's or early 30's and single, I would definitely try my best to date you. No troll. Sick of feminism crap.In a thread full of cringeworthy posts, this one takes the cake
Not cringeworthy at all. Seek help
Lordy I cringed again
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I am an old woman who grew up in America. I have not found that gender is a big factor on the job, and that includes a stint where I was the only female finance professor for several years. I would never think of writing a post that says we need more female professors on this website. I don't think American women want to become finance professors. They are just not that into the topic. I have met more American women who will work full time as a secretary and do an English PhD part-time than I have met American women who want to get a PhD in finance. And it's not like American men are so keen to do the degree either. Those of us who like it are pretty weird for Americans. So I think eventually the female thing will go away as an issue in US finance departments when half the department are Chinese females and the other half are Chinese males.
In Asia there are more female professors in the econ and finance department. Asian women seem like the profession much more than US or European women do. Not sure why.
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I am an old woman who grew up in America. I have not found that gender is a big factor on the job, and that includes a stint where I was the only female finance professor for several years. I would never think of writing a post that says we need more female professors on this website. I don't think American women want to become finance professors. They are just not that into the topic. I have met more American women who will work full time as a secretary and do an English PhD part-time than I have met American women who want to get a PhD in finance. And it's not like American men are so keen to do the degree either. Those of us who like it are pretty weird for Americans. So I think eventually the female thing will go away as an issue in US finance departments when half the department are Chinese females and the other half are Chinese males.
In Asia there are more female professors in the econ and finance department. Asian women seem like the profession much more than US or European women do. Not sure why.
Is it because the goal of the vast majority of American women's goal is to live off their husband?
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I am an old woman who grew up in America. I have not found that gender is a big factor on the job, and that includes a stint where I was the only female finance professor for several years. I would never think of writing a post that says we need more female professors on this website. I don't think American women want to become finance professors. They are just not that into the topic. I have met more American women who will work full time as a secretary and do an English PhD part-time than I have met American women who want to get a PhD in finance. And it's not like American men are so keen to do the degree either. Those of us who like it are pretty weird for Americans. So I think eventually the female thing will go away as an issue in US finance departments when half the department are Chinese females and the other half are Chinese males.
In Asia there are more female professors in the econ and finance department. Asian women seem like the profession much more than US or European women do. Not sure why.
Is called the "gender equaloty paradox". https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ijop.12529
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So surprising that this is a forum where everyone presumably understands economics.
In a competitive equilibrium, male and female get the job which they deserve. So an intervention to force-hire women is justified only when you prove that we are not in Pareto efficient equilibrium already.I am the female who said I would be reluctant to work in an all male department. Other females seem to agree. If that is reasonably widespread phenomenon that would be a reason we are not in an efficient equilibrium.
A school starts off all male and tries to hire the best candidate they can. But if that is a woman, they are more likely to choose another option than if it is a man. And while you didn't formally define the competitive equilibrium you described, this seems like it is a violation of the spirit of it.
If an absence of women repels women from a school, that functions a lot like women attracting other women. Which means that there will be forces encouraging an uneven distribution of women amongst schools.
I will refrain from making a normative judgement about that. In some ways it is like how people with certain research specialties tend to cluster. But it would leave a weird taste in other people's mouths.Dear (plausibly) Asian Female:
You said that you would be reluctant to work in all male department..
1. Your strategy is not SPNE. You knew that econ/finance has more men than woman. Yet you decided to join the profession by entering PhD. When you entered the job market, you found potential employers where there are more men (say all men). So your finding is consistent with your ex-ante prior.
What changed now that you are unwilling to work in all men department? You need fellow women to gossip, to cry foul, don't you?
I see this in my cohort. Female cohort needs constant companion to nod when she cries foul. Always ready to party, but always feeling tired to work. Always gossip about dream f**ng marriage. Openly endorses that she doesn't want to work hard, or, to achieve success with least possible effort.
[Not a general comment. It's based on sample of 1 Asian woman. I expect western woman to be more ambitious and hard working]
I think men had understood such woman's traits and discounts it in hiring decisions.This is incredibly sexist and racist. I'm a man, but I'd imagine the reason a woman would feel uncomfortable in an all male apartment might be because of people like you. Everyone should read the AEA report on sexism in economics, we have legitimate problems regarding the way women and minority groups are treated in this field, and as always EJMR is evidence of that.
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I am an old woman who grew up in America. I have not found that gender is a big factor on the job, and that includes a stint where I was the only female finance professor for several years. I would never think of writing a post that says we need more female professors on this website. I don't think American women want to become finance professors. They are just not that into the topic. I have met more American women who will work full time as a secretary and do an English PhD part-time than I have met American women who want to get a PhD in finance. And it's not like American men are so keen to do the degree either. Those of us who like it are pretty weird for Americans. So I think eventually the female thing will go away as an issue in US finance departments when half the department are Chinese females and the other half are Chinese males.
In Asia there are more female professors in the econ and finance department. Asian women seem like the profession much more than US or European women do. Not sure why.
Is called the "gender equaloty paradox". https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ijop.12529
Thanks for the reference. “We speculate that as gender equality increases both men and women gravitate towards their traditional gender roles.” We need to understand what deter women from joining the profession (help them with necessary support) instead of simply increasing gender quota. I am a woman.
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you're an idiot.
So surprising that this is a forum where everyone presumably understands economics.
In a competitive equilibrium, male and female get the job which they deserve. So an intervention to force-hire women is justified only when you prove that we are not in Pareto efficient equilibrium already.I am the female who said I would be reluctant to work in an all male department. Other females seem to agree. If that is reasonably widespread phenomenon that would be a reason we are not in an efficient equilibrium.
A school starts off all male and tries to hire the best candidate they can. But if that is a woman, they are more likely to choose another option than if it is a man. And while you didn't formally define the competitive equilibrium you described, this seems like it is a violation of the spirit of it.
If an absence of women repels women from a school, that functions a lot like women attracting other women. Which means that there will be forces encouraging an uneven distribution of women amongst schools.
I will refrain from making a normative judgement about that. In some ways it is like how people with certain research specialties tend to cluster. But it would leave a weird taste in other people's mouths.Dear (plausibly) Asian Female:
You said that you would be reluctant to work in all male department..
1. Your strategy is not SPNE. You knew that econ/finance has more men than woman. Yet you decided to join the profession by entering PhD. When you entered the job market, you found potential employers where there are more men (say all men). So your finding is consistent with your ex-ante prior.
What changed now that you are unwilling to work in all men department? You need fellow women to gossip, to cry foul, don't you?
I see this in my cohort. Female cohort needs constant companion to nod when she cries foul. Always ready to party, but always feeling tired to work. Always gossip about dream f**ng marriage. Openly endorses that she doesn't want to work hard, or, to achieve success with least possible effort.
[Not a general comment. It's based on sample of 1 Asian woman. I expect western woman to be more ambitious and hard working]
I think men had understood such woman's traits and discounts it in hiring decisions.This is incredibly sexist and racist. I'm a man, but I'd imagine the reason a woman would feel uncomfortable in an all male apartment might be because of people like you. Everyone should read the AEA report on sexism in economics, we have legitimate problems regarding the way women and minority groups are treated in this field, and as always EJMR is evidence of that.
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How can you expect women to rise up when they think they need mentorship, role models, AA, etc. to succeed? Successful men don't like that.
I always laugh when I see girls moan about "mentorship". It's like they think we go around explicitly mentoring one another non-stop.
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So surprising that this is a forum where everyone presumably understands economics.
In a competitive equilibrium, male and female get the job which they deserve. So an intervention to force-hire women is justified only when you prove that we are not in Pareto efficient equilibrium already.I am the female who said I would be reluctant to work in an all male department. Other females seem to agree. If that is reasonably widespread phenomenon that would be a reason we are not in an efficient equilibrium.
A school starts off all male and tries to hire the best candidate they can. But if that is a woman, they are more likely to choose another option than if it is a man. And while you didn't formally define the competitive equilibrium you described, this seems like it is a violation of the spirit of it.
If an absence of women repels women from a school, that functions a lot like women attracting other women. Which means that there will be forces encouraging an uneven distribution of women amongst schools.
I will refrain from making a normative judgement about that. In some ways it is like how people with certain research specialties tend to cluster. But it would leave a weird taste in other people's mouths.Dear (plausibly) Asian Female:
You said that you would be reluctant to work in all male department..
1. Your strategy is not SPNE. You knew that econ/finance has more men than woman. Yet you decided to join the profession by entering PhD. When you entered the job market, you found potential employers where there are more men (say all men). So your finding is consistent with your ex-ante prior.
What changed now that you are unwilling to work in all men department? You need fellow women to gossip, to cry foul, don't you?
I see this in my cohort. Female cohort needs constant companion to nod when she cries foul. Always ready to party, but always feeling tired to work. Always gossip about dream f**ng marriage. Openly endorses that she doesn't want to work hard, or, to achieve success with least possible effort.
[Not a general comment. It's based on sample of 1 Asian woman. I expect western woman to be more ambitious and hard working]
I think men had understood such woman's traits and discounts it in hiring decisions.My point was not that I am unwilling to work in an all male department. I just prefer to work in a department with some balance. I don't need that balance to be 50-50. If, for example, I were in a department with 20 other faculty, I wouldn't be unhappy if there were just a few other women. It's just that I would rather it not be 0 (or probably 1) other woman. Again, that is "rather", not "refuse under any circumstances to consider".
As for your SPNE comment, when I signed up to do the PhD, most departments had a few women. So that preference was a feasible one. And indeed, when I was on the job market, only a couple of the schools I interviewed with were overwhelmingly male to a degree that I cared about.
In some ways, I feel the same way about age. As a 30 year old, I would rather not be the only person under 50 in a department. Just a preference.
With all due respect, are you Asian?
It's the problem of the woman, for which talented men has to pay:
1. School starts with all male.
2. They spot a talented female candidate, and want to hire her.
3. That talented female is more likely to choose another school with some females, than does a talented man.
Solution: Talented female, Grow f**ng up. Men are not there to harm you.
What's men's fault here?
I am sure if there is a male being interviewed by an all female department, he won't mind. I won't mind. I need intelligent brain around me, not a brain from my same gender, country or race.I am not quite sure I understand t...See full post
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I am not quite sure I understand t...See full posthe vitriol. Or why multiple posters assumed I was Asian?
It's just a preference about where I work. Is it acceptable to have geographical preferences about where you work? Is it acceptable to want to work at a place where you get along with your colleagues really well? I think most people would say yes. So why is my preference unacceptable? All I am saying is that among the preferences I have over places to work, a non-trivial share of women in the department is one of them.
My point is not that I think men are distasteful to work with. Or that all male faculties are a massive problem in the profession. In fact, you could use my point to say that there is a natural tendency to get some all male faculties, so we shouldn't interpret an all male faculty as a sign of sexism.So you are saying that preferences matter in job allocation.
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I am an old woman who grew up in America. I have not found that gender is a big factor on the job, and that includes a stint where I was the only female finance professor for several years. I would never think of writing a post that says we need more female professors on this website. I don't think American women want to become finance professors. They are just not that into the topic. I have met more American women who will work full time as a secretary and do an English PhD part-time than I have met American women who want to get a PhD in finance. And it's not like American men are so keen to do the degree either. Those of us who like it are pretty weird for Americans. So I think eventually the female thing will go away as an issue in US finance departments when half the department are Chinese females and the other half are Chinese males.
In Asia there are more female professors in the econ and finance department. Asian women seem like the profession much more than US or European women do. Not sure why.
Is it because the goal of the vast majority of American women's goal is to live off their husband?