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• Thread: 292 Goods vs 7 No Goods

1. Economist
   7128
   

   Took me a couple of years to recover. Moved down a level of course. Spent a lot of time bemoaning my fate but eventually recognised that my reputation could exceed that of my institution. These days, I even get "why are you still at (institution)" once in awhile.

   The biggest shock was the quick exclusion - from the seminar circuit, conference keynotes, etc. all of which seem reserved for high-status players. I get it; if you announce that your speaker is from a crappy uni like mine, fewer people show up.

   What bothers me most though is how much harder it is to get research funding. Even with a couple of internal awards my budget is lower than it used to be at a "top" institution. Worse, the foundations are status chasers like you've never seen.

   On the bright side, I don't mind being left alone to focus on my research. I have enough HRM collaborators from my early career that my work still places OK, even if I am more of a backstage player.

   Do I still work hard? Sure, maybe harder than I did as an AP. Why not kick back and just enjoy the tenured 2-2 life? Dunno, maybe deep inside I'm still trying to prove something...if only to myself.

   Thanks for listening, despite the pathological verbosity.

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2. Economist
   546e
   

   We really shouldnt be letting that troll dictate our behavior.

   Do you get no grants at all?

   Thanks for listening, despite the pathological verbosity.

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3. Economist
   b0fc
   

   I like your story. Base on what you wrote, I think I might like you as a person as well.

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4. Economist
   18c2
   

   OP, How big a fall are we talking here? From say top 20 to top 100-ish?

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5. Economist
   9405
   

   I hear you.

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6. Economist
   f64f
   

   biggest mistake during my phd is to not have realized how status-driven most people are. thought the the attention I got was because of myself, but in fact it was because of my school.

   Took me a couple of years to recover. Moved down a level of course. Spent a lot of time bemoaning my fate but eventually recognised that my reputation could exceed that of my institution. These days, I even get "why are you still at (institution)" once in awhile.
   The biggest shock was the quick exclusion - from the seminar circuit, conference keynotes, etc. all of which seem reserved for high-status players. I get it; if you announce that your speaker is from a crappy uni like mine, fewer people show up.
   What bothers me most though is how much harder it is to get research funding. Even with a couple of internal awards my budget is lower than it used to be at a "top" institution. Worse, the foundations are status chasers like you've never seen.
   On the bright side, I don't mind being left alone to focus on my research. I have enough HRM collaborators from my early career that my work still places OK, even if I am more of a backstage player.
   Do I still work hard? Sure, maybe harder than I did as an AP. Why not kick back and just enjoy the tenured 2-2 life? Dunno, maybe deep inside I'm still trying to prove something...if only to myself.
   Thanks for listening, despite the pathological verbosity.

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7. Economist
   7128
   

   Do you get no grants at all?

   I got one a couple years ago when my co_PI was HRM. But I have struck out on my own so far ..which could mean my research sucks, but my papers place well enough that I see a disconnect

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8. Economist
   7128
   

   >biggest mistake during my phd is to not have realized how status-driven most people are. thought the the attention I got was because of myself, but in fact it was because of my school.

   This. But I don't blame people or harbor resentment. There are so many papers out there; you need heuristics to decide what to pay attention to. I can even let the foundations off the hook given how many people are clamoring for their cash. I'm less sympathetic to referees who go easy on papers by big names or that were presented at NBER meetings.

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9. Economist
   7128
   

   OP, How big a fall are we talking here? From say top 20 to top 100-ish?

   Top 10 to top 50 would be a fair way to describe it.

   And to be fair, I still have some lingering, undeserved privilege from having been in the top tier previously.

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10. Economist
    f64f
    

    Thanks for explaining. I understand. I don’t have a tenure-track job and may not have one in the foreseeable future. I don’t hold grudges toward foundations or referees - merely anticipating an adjustment in expectations based on your post and my own belief TBH.

    >biggest mistake during my phd is to not have realized how status-driven most people are. thought the the attention I got was because of myself, but in fact it was because of my school.
    This. But I don't blame people or harbor resentment. There are so many papers out there; you need heuristics to decide what to pay attention to. I can even let the foundations off the hook given how many people are clamoring for their cash. I'm less sympathetic to referees who go easy on papers by big names or that were presented at NBER meetings.

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11. Economist
    6358
    

    Wow, it’s astonishing that you feel discriminated against for being a faculty member at a top50... think about the lives of vlrm trying to get grants or publish something in top5 or top field journals.

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12. Economist
    a6fe
    

    Wow, it’s astonishing that you feel discriminated against for being a faculty member at a top50... think about the lives of vlrm trying to get grants or publish something in top5 or top field journals.

    The point is if it's bad at a top 50, it's worse for a vlrm.

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13. Economist
    7128
    

    Wow, it’s astonishing that you feel discriminated against for being a faculty member at a top50... think about the lives of vlrm trying to get grants or publish something in top5 or top field journals.

    Agreed. Thats why I wrote

    And to be fair, I still have some lingering, undeserved privilege from having been in the top tier previously.

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14. Economist
    c2c9
    

    Good thread, OP. Thank you for sharing your perspective. The obsessions with status and affiliation in economics are really unhealthy.

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15. Economist
    32af
    

    go to industry is the best decision

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16. Economist
    ce75
    

    btw i’m female. now are you surprised?

    biggest mistake during my phd is to not have realized how status-driven most people are. thought the the attention I got was because of myself, but in fact it was because of my school.

    Took me a couple of years to recover. Moved down a level of course. Spent a lot of time bemoaning my fate but eventually recognised that my reputation could exceed that of my institution. These days, I even get "why are you still at (institution)" once in awhile.
    The biggest shock was the quick exclusion - from the seminar circuit, conference keynotes, etc. all of which seem reserved for high-status players. I get it; if you announce that your speaker is from a crappy uni like mine, fewer people show up.
    What bothers me most though is how much harder it is to get research funding. Even with a couple of internal awards my budget is lower than it used to be at a "top" institution. Worse, the foundations are status chasers like you've never seen.
    On the bright side, I don't mind being left alone to focus on my research. I have enough HRM collaborators from my early career that my work still places OK, even if I am more of a backstage player.
    Do I still work hard? Sure, maybe harder than I did as an AP. Why not kick back and just enjoy the tenured 2-2 life? Dunno, maybe deep inside I'm still trying to prove something...if only to myself.
    Thanks for listening, despite the pathological verbosity.
    

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17. Economist
    1d70
    

    No one cares about that

    btw i’m female. now are you surprised?

    biggest mistake during my phd is to not have realized how status-driven most people are. thought the the attention I got was because of myself, but in fact it was because of my school.

    Took me a couple of years to recover. Moved down a level of course. Spent a lot of time bemoaning my fate but eventually recognised that my reputation could exceed that of my institution. These days, I even get "why are you still at (institution)" once in awhile.
    The biggest shock was the quick exclusion - from the seminar circuit, conference keynotes, etc. all of which seem reserved for high-status players. I get it; if you announce that your speaker is from a crappy uni like mine, fewer people show up.
    What bothers me most though is how much harder it is to get research funding. Even with a couple of internal awards my budget is lower than it used to be at a "top" institution. Worse, the foundations are status chasers like you've never seen.
    On the bright side, I don't mind being left alone to focus on my research. I have enough HRM collaborators from my early career that my work still places OK, even if I am more of a backstage player.
    Do I still work hard? Sure, maybe harder than I did as an AP. Why not kick back and just enjoy the tenured 2-2 life? Dunno, maybe deep inside I'm still trying to prove something...if only to myself.
    Thanks for listening, despite the pathological verbosity.
    

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18. Economist
    66ab
    

    Good thread, OP. Thank you for sharing your perspective. The obsessions with status and affiliation in economics are really unhealthy.

    OP seems to still be obsessed with status. They have simply shifted their obsession from institutional status to status based on a "reputation (that) could exceed that of my institution".

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19. Economist
    a8ae
    

    I am not a status chaser. After getting my degree, I accepted an LRM job. My adviser told me to wait for a better offer but I didn’t care. Here I have very little research expectations, easy classes to teach, almost no preps by now. A little updating every once in a while. Instead of chasing dreams, I focused on living healthy, getting married, and building a low stress comfortable life with someone I love. I am happy this way. Oh, and I forgot, I got a B+ in Real Analysis.

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20. Economist
    ff1d
    

    Justin is that you pretending to be Betsey again?

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