Decision too often depends on criteria which are orthogonal to performance.
Tenured professors are hired from outside.
Tenure track positions should be eliminated
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How would this be stable if one department has so much to gain by just recreating TT positions?
They may not. Every junior may stay at one university for six years on a limited contract. After this, he/she has to leave. If sufficiently good, another university may hire this person as full professor.
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How would this be stable if one department has so much to gain by just recreating TT positions?
They may not. Every junior may stay at one university for six years on a limited contract. After this, he/she has to leave. If sufficiently good, another university may hire this person as full professor.
Again, it only takes one department to deviate and make huge gains.
For example, say that Duke makes an offer that is tenure track, while all departments above have a system like yours. A top candidate in their thirties, starting a family, wanting to have stability in their lives, would easily go there instead.
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How would this be stable if one department has so much to gain by just recreating TT positions?
They may not. Every junior may stay at one university for six years on a limited contract. After this, he/she has to leave. If sufficiently good, another university may hire this person as full professor.
This is not a forum for undergrads. Please go back to reddit.
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Again, it only takes one department to deviate and make huge gains.
For example, say that Duke makes an offer that is tenure track, while all departments above have a system like yours. A top candidate in their thirties, starting a family, wanting to have stability in their lives, would easily go there instead.What is so difficult to understand in the sentence "They may not."?
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Again, it only takes one department to deviate and make huge gains.
For example, say that Duke makes an offer that is tenure track, while all departments above have a system like yours. A top candidate in their thirties, starting a family, wanting to have stability in their lives, would easily go there instead.What is so difficult to understand in the sentence "They may not."?
Well, it seems that you don't understand the meaning of the word "may".
So, what you are proposing is a federal intervention on all departments imposing the end of tenured offers? You do understand that tenure isn't protected by law, but rather by the reputation of the university, right?
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So, what you are proposing is a federal intervention on all departments imposing the end of tenured offers?
Yes.
That just wouldn't be legally possible. On top of that, any university with a faculty union would bring lawsuits on any such intervention.
For instance, if a private firm wanted to give a lifetime employment contract to an employee, you would want legislation that prevents this? That is so anti-labor there is no legal, regulatory, or political basis to bring about such a thing.
OP must be someone who is jealous of tenured folks.
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That just wouldn't be legally possible. On top of that, any university with a faculty union would bring lawsuits on any such intervention.
For instance, if a private firm wanted to give a lifetime employment contract to an employee, you would want legislation that prevents this? That is so anti-labor there is no legal, regulatory, or political basis to bring about such a thing.
OP must be someone who is jealous of tenured folks.This was reality in some countries in Europe before Americans took over their culture.
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"If you e1iminate tenure track many young professors will either do the bare minimum or demand a strong raise as long as there are viable industry outside options."
If this were true tenureless UKAPs would be paid more than their American colleagues.There are no viable industry outside options. So instead UKAPs just do the minimum.